Re: Caching/buffers become useless after some time

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On 08/03/2018 04:13 PM, Marinko Catovic wrote:
> Thanks for the analysis.
> 
> So since I am no mem management dev, what exactly does this mean?
> Is there any way of workaround or quickfix or something that can/will
> be fixed at some point in time?

Workaround would be the manual / periodic cache flushing, unfortunately.

Maybe a memcg with kmemcg limit? Michal could know more.

A long-term generic solution will be much harder to find :(

> I can not imagine that I am the only one who is affected by this, nor do I
> know why my use case would be so much different from any other.
> Most 'cloud' services should be affected as well.

Hmm, either your workload is specific in being hungry for fs metadata
and not much data (page cache). And/Or there's some source of the
high-order allocations that others don't have, possibly related to some
piece of hardware?

> Tell me if you need any other snapshots or whatever info.
> 
> 2018-08-02 18:15 GMT+02:00 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:vbabka@xxxxxxx>>:
> 
>     On 07/31/2018 12:08 AM, Marinko Catovic wrote:
>     > 
>     >> Can you provide (a single snapshot) /proc/pagetypeinfo and
>     >> /proc/slabinfo from a system that's currently experiencing the issue,
>     >> also with /proc/vmstat and /proc/zoneinfo to verify? Thanks.
>     > 
>     > your request came in just one day after I 2>drop_caches again when the
>     > ram usage
>     > was really really low again. Up until now it did not reoccur on any of
>     > the 2 hosts,
>     > where one shows 550MB/11G with 37G of totally free ram for now - so not
>     > that low
>     > like last time when I dropped it, I think it was like 300M/8G or so, but
>     > I hope it helps:
> 
>     Thanks.
> 
>     > /proc/pagetypeinfo  https://pastebin.com/6QWEZagL
> 
>     Yep, looks like fragmented by reclaimable slabs:
> 
>     Node    0, zone   Normal, type    Unmovable  29101  32754   8372 
>      2790   1334    354     23      3      4      0      0
>     Node    0, zone   Normal, type      Movable 142449  83386  99426 
>     69177  36761  12931   1378     24      0      0      0
>     Node    0, zone   Normal, type  Reclaimable 467195 530638 355045
>     192638  80358  15627   2029    231     18      0      0
> 
>     Number of blocks type     Unmovable      Movable  Reclaimable 
>      HighAtomic      Isolate
>     Node 0, zone      DMA            1            7            0       
>         0            0
>     Node 0, zone    DMA32           34          703          375       
>         0            0
>     Node 0, zone   Normal         1672        14276        15659       
>         1            0
> 
>     Half of the memory is marked as reclaimable (2 megabyte) pageblocks.
>     zoneinfo has nr_slab_reclaimable 1679817 so the reclaimable slabs occupy
>     only 3280 (6G) pageblocks, yet they are spread over 5 times as much.
>     It's also possible they pollute the Movable pageblocks as well, but the
>     stats can't tell us. Either the page grouping mobility heuristics are
>     broken here, or the worst case scenario happened - memory was at
>     some point
>     really wholly filled with reclaimable slabs, and the rather random
>     reclaim
>     did not result in whole pageblocks being freed.
> 
>     > /proc/slabinfo  https://pastebin.com/81QAFgke
> 
>     Largest caches seem to be:
>     # name            <active_objs> <num_objs> <objsize> <objperslab>
>     <pagesperslab> : tunables <limit> <batchcount> <sharedfactor> :
>     slabdata <active_slabs> <num_slabs> <sharedavail>
>     ext4_inode_cache  3107754 3759573   1080    3    1 : tunables   24 
>      12    8 : slabdata 1253191 1253191      0
>     dentry            2840237 7328181    192   21    1 : tunables  120 
>      60    8 : slabdata 348961 348961    120
> 
>     The internal framentation of dentry cache is significant as well.
>     Dunno if some of those objects pin movable pages as well...
> 
>     So looks like there's insufficient slab reclaim (shrinker activity), and
>     possibly problems with page grouping by mobility heuristics as well...
> 
>     > /proc/vmstat  https://pastebin.com/S7mrQx1s
>     > /proc/zoneinfo  https://pastebin.com/csGeqNyX
>     >
>     > also please note - whether this makes any difference: there is no swap
>     > file/partition
>     > I am using this without swap space. imho this should not be
>     necessary since
>     > applications running on the hosts would not consume more than
>     20GB, the rest
>     > should be used by buffers/cache.
>     >
> 
> 




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