Re: [PATCH 0/5] mm/kasan: advanced check

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On 2017/11/22 4:04, Andrey Ryabinin wrote:
On 11/18/2017 01:30 AM, Wengang Wang wrote:
Kasan advanced check, I'm going to add this feature.
Currently Kasan provide the detection of use-after-free and out-of-bounds
problems. It is not able to find the overwrite-on-allocated-memory issue.
We sometimes hit this kind of issue: We have a messed up structure
(usually dynamially allocated), some of the fields in the structure were
overwritten with unreasaonable values. And kernel may panic due to those
overeritten values. We know those fields were overwritten somehow, but we
have no easy way to find out which path did the overwritten. The advanced
check wants to help in this scenario.

The idea is to define the memory owner. When write accesses come from
non-owner, error should be reported. Normally the write accesses on a given
structure happen in only several or a dozen of functions if the structure
is not that complicated. We call those functions "allowed functions".
The work of defining the owner and binding memory to owner is expected to
be done by the memory consumer. In the above case, memory consume register
the owner as the functions which have write accesses to the structure then
bind all the structures to the owner. Then kasan will do the "owner check"
after the basic checks.

As implementation, kasan provides a API to it's user to register their
allowed functions. The API returns a token to users.  At run time, users
bind the memory ranges they are interested in to the check they registered.
Kasan then checks the bound memory ranges with the allowed functions.

NAK. We don't add APIs with no users in the kernel.
If nothing in the kernel uses this API than there is no way to tell if this works or not.
In production kernel, we don't want unnecessary APIs without users in the kernel because that
would consume binary size (a pure space waste) and leave "dead" code.
KASAN code is a bit different from other kernel components, its self is debugging purpose only. When KASAN is enabled, the APIs would have potential users and the code is not "dead" code. The size increasing in binary would be acceptable since the kernel with KASAN enabled only has a short time life -- only used to find the root cause, when root caused is found, it will be no longer used;  Also the KASAN enabled kernel is used by limited user where they have a particular issue. I say "potential users" because this functionality its self is dynamically used or to say a
one-shot use. The functionality is helpful.

I think even KASAN its self we don't know if it works or not when it is not enabled. -- Before I tried it, I am curious if this can work well; After testing it, I know it works. If we don't give users the chance, they will never know there is such a functionality and will never
get benefit from it.


Besides, I'm bit skeptical about usefulness of this feature. Those kinds of issues that
advanced check is supposed to catch, is almost always is just some sort of longstanding
use after free, which eventually should be caught by kasan.
Yes, if luckily, the issue is possible to be catched by UAF check.
Well considering busy production systems, the memory is very likely to be reallocated rather than staying in free state for very long time.  That is the overwritten-to-allocated-memory is more likely to happen than UAF does I think.  When overwritten-to-allocated-memory happened,
UAF check has no chance to detect the problem.

KASAN is helpful to detect problematic memory usage, so does this patch set!
I really hope this can be included and developers can get benefit from it.

Thanks,
Wengang

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