On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Christoph Hellwig <hch@xxxxxx> wrote: > While this looks like a really nice cleanup of the code and removes > nasty race conditions I'd like to understand the tradeoffs. > > This now requires every dax device that is used with a file system > to have a struct page backing, which means not only means we'd > break existing setups, but also a sharp turn from previous policy. > > Unless I misremember it was you Intel guys that heavily pushed for > the page-less version, so I'd like to understand why you've changed > your mind. Sure, here's a quick recap of the story so far of how we got here: * In support of page-less I/O operations envisioned by Matthew I introduced pfn_t as a proposal for converting the block layer and other sub-systems to use pfns instead of pages [1]. You helped out on that patch set with some work on the DMA api. [2] * The DMA api conversion effort came to a halt when it came time to touch sparc paths and DaveM said [3]: "Generally speaking, I think that all actual physical memory the kernel operates on should have a struct page backing it." * ZONE_DEVICE was created to solve the DMA problem and in developing / testing that discovered plenty of proof for Dave's assertion (no fork, no ptrace, etc). We should have made the switch to require struct page at that point, but I was persuaded by the argument that changing the dax policy may break existing assumptions, and that there were larger issues to go solve at the time. What changed recently was the discussions around what the dax mount option means and the assertion that we can, in general, make some policy changes on our way to removing the "experimental" designation from filesystem-dax. It is clear that the page-less dax path remains experimental with all the way it fails in several kernel paths, and there has been no patches for several months to revive the effort. Meanwhile the page-less path continues to generate maintenance overhead. The recent gymnastics (new ->post_mmap file_operation) to make sure ->vm_flags are safely manipulated when dynamically changing the dax mode of a file was the final straw for me to pull the trigger on this series. In terms of what breaks by changing this policy it should be noted that we automatically create pages for "legacy" pmem devices, and the default for "ndctl create-namespace" is to allocate pages. I have yet to see a bug report where someone was surprised by fork failing or direct-I/O causing a SIGBUS. So, I think the defaults are working, it is unlikely that there are environments dependent on page-less behavior. That said, I now recall that dax also replaced xip for some setups. I think we have a couple options here: let embedded configurations override the page requirement since they can reasonably assert to not care about the several broken general purpose paths that need pages, or perhaps follow in the footsteps of what Nicolas is doing for cramfs where he calls dax "overkill" [4] for his use case. [1]: https://lwn.net/Articles/643998/ [2]: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/12/86 [3]: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/14/3 [4]: https://lwn.net/Articles/734995/ -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@xxxxxxxxx";> email@xxxxxxxxx </a>
