On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 06:24:03PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote: > On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 09:53:46AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 09:17:36AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: > > > An immutable-extent DAX-file and a reflink-capable DAX-file are not > > > mutually exclusive, > > > > Actually, they are mutually exclusive: when the immutable extent DAX > > inode is breaking the extent sharing done during the reflink > > operation, the copy-on-write operation requires allocating and > > freeing extents on the inode that has immutable extents. Which, if > > the inode really has immutable extents, cannot be done. > > > > That said, if the extent sharing is broken on the other side of the > > reflink (i.e. the non-immutable inode created by the reflink) then > > the extent map of the inode with immutable extents will remain > > unchanged. i.e. there are two sides to this, and if you only see one > > side you might come to the wrong conclusion. > > > > However, we cannot guarantee that no writes occur to the inode with > > immutable extent maps (especially as the whole point is to allow > > userspace writes and commits without the kernel being involved), so > > extent sharing on immutable extent maps cannot be allowed... > > Just to play devil's advocate... > > /If/ you have rmap and /if/ you discover that there's only one > IOMAP_IMMUTABLE file owning this same block and /if/ you're willing to > relocate every other mapping on the whole filesystem, /then/ you could > /in theory/ support shared daxfiles. I figured that nobody apart from experienced filesystem developers would understand the complexities of rmap and refcounts and how they could be abused to do this. I also assumed that that people like you would understand this is possible but completely impractical.... > However, that's so many on-disk metadata lookups to shove into a > pagefault handler that I don't think anyone in XFSland would entertain > such an ugly fantasy. You'd be making a lot of metadata requests, and > you'd have to lock the rmapbt while grabbing inodes, which is insane. Exactly. But while I understand this, consider the amount of assumed filesystem and XFS knowledge in that one simple paragraph. Most non-experts would have stopped *understanding* at "/If/ you have rmap" and go away with the wrong ideas in their heads. Hence I now tend to omit mentioning "possible but impractical" things in mixed expertise discussions.... > Much easier to have a per-inode flag that says "the block map of this > file does not change" and put up with the restricted semantics. In a nutshell. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Chinner david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@xxxxxxxxx";> email@xxxxxxxxx </a>
