On Wed 14-12-16 12:15:14, Jerome Glisse wrote: <snipped explanation that the device has the same cabilities as CPUs wrt page handling> > > So won't it be easier to leave the pagecache page where it is and *copy* it > > to the device? Can the device notify us *before* it is going to modify a > > page, not just after it has modified it? Possibly if we just give it the > > page read-only and it will have to ask CPU to get write permission? If yes, > > then I belive this could work and even fs support should be doable. > > Well yes and no. Device obey the same rule as CPU so if a file back page is > map read only in the process it must first do a write fault which will call > in the fs (page_mkwrite() of vm_ops). But once a page has write permission > there is no way to be notify by hardware on every write. First the hardware > do not have the capability. Second we are talking thousand (10 000 is upper > range in today device) of concurrent thread, each can possibly write to page > under consideration. Sure, I meant whether the device is able to do equivalent of ->page_mkwrite notification which apparently it is. OK. > We really want the device page to behave just like regular page. Most fs code > path never map file content, it only happens during read/write and i believe > this can be handled either by migrating back or by using bounce page. I want > to provide the choice between the two solutions as one will be better for some > workload and the other for different workload. I agree with keeping page used by the device behaving as similar as possible as any other page. I'm just exploring different possibilities how to make that happen. E.g. the scheme I was aiming at is: When you want page A to be used by the device, you set up page A' in the device but make sure any access to it will fault. When the device wants to access A', it notifies the CPU, that writeprotects all mappings of A, copy A to A' and map A' read-only for the device. When the device wants to write to A', it notifies CPU, that will clear all mappings of A and mark A as not-uptodate & dirty. When the CPU will then want to access the data in A again - we need to catch ->readpage, ->readpages, ->writepage, ->writepages - it will writeprotect A' in the device, copy data to A, mark A as uptodate & dirty, and off we go. When we want to write to the page on CPU - we get either wp fault if it was via mmap, or we have to catch that in places using kmap() - we just remove access to A' from the device. This scheme makes the device mapping functionality transparent to the filesystem (you actually don't need to hook directly into ->readpage etc. handlers, you can just have wrappers around them for this functionality) and fairly straightforward... It is so transparent that even direct IO works with this since the page cache invalidation pass we do before actually doing the direct IO will make sure to pull all the pages from the device and write them to disk if needed. What do you think? Honza -- Jan Kara <jack@xxxxxxxx> SUSE Labs, CR -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@xxxxxxxxx";> email@xxxxxxxxx </a>