Hi all, During the mini-summit we discussed multi-dimensional matrix support. My proposal only added support for 2D matrices. It turns out that there is at least one case where a 3D matrix is used (a 17x17x17 matrix which maps an RGB value to another RGB value, with R, G and B being the matrix indices). I was requested to look into this a bit more and how it should be supported. One option is to support any number of dimensions by using a pointer to an array of dimension sizes: __u32 dimensions; __u32 *dims; The problem with this IMHO is that this complicates using the VIDIOC_QUERY_EXT_CTRL ioctl: you always need to supply a separate array when you call this ioctl, and remember to set 'dimensions' to the size of your array. And be able to handle the case where there are more dimensions than the size of your array at which time you need to resize it and call the ioctl again. My problem with that is that I think that that is simply not worth the trouble. I agree that supporting 3D matrices makes sense, and perhaps 4D as well (in case ARGB values are used as indices into the 4D matrix). But I think it is unlikely that 5D or up matrices will be seen in actual hardware (if only because of the size of the data involved), and if those will appear then it is always possible to implement them as a 4D matrix of a struct that contains the remaining dimensions. E.g.: struct my_drv_type { __u32 m[2][3]; }; struct my_drv_type ctrl_matrix[4][3][2][2]; This really is a 6D matrix '__u32 m[4][3][2][2][2][3];'. In other words, I am really opposed to add support for any number of dimensions, I think that is overengineering and I believe that there are alternative solutions should we encounter hardware that does something so strange. So the rest of my RFC outlines my proposal for extending the number of dimensions to a fixed number. For the sake of argument I'm going with 4 dimensions. In my current proposal the v4l2_query_ext_ctrl struct has two fields describing the dimensions of the matrix: width and height. A 1D matrix (aka array) means that one of the two will be set to 1. These fields are always >= 1. The number of elements in the matrix will always be width * height. If we go to a higher number of dimensions then you do need a new 'elems' or 'elements' field that has the total number of elements in the matrix (for a 2D matrix that would be width * height). It just becomes too cumbersome in applications to always have to multiply all the dimension sizes to get the number of elements. The approach I want to take is to replace 'width' and 'height' by this: #define V4L2_CTRL_MAX_DIMS 4 __u32 elems; __u32 dimensions; __u32 dims[V4L2_CTRL_MAX_DIMS]; So if 'dimensions' is 2, then dims[0] would be the height and dims[1] the width. For 3D [0] would be depth, [1] height, [2] width. The remaining dims values would be 0. An option might be to drop the dimensions field and let the apps loop over the dims values until they encounter a 0. I think having a dimensions field would be the way to go, though. It's too cumbersome for apps otherwise. If someone has better suggestions for the field names, then I'm open to that. The same with the number of supported dimensions. It's 4 in this example, but if someone thinks 40 might be better, then that's fine by me :-) Personally I think that it should be a value between 4 and 8. We know there is a use-case for 3, so let's go one up at least. And above 8 I think it becomes really silly. I have implemented this in this tree: http://git.linuxtv.org/cgit.cgi/hverkuil/media_tree.git/log/?h=propapi-part4 That tree also includes all other changes I was requested to make. Before I can finish this I need to have feedback. Once we have agreement I'll make a new patch series that will include updated documentation for this so we can finally merge this. Regards, Hans -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html