Re: SDR sampling rate - control or IOCTL?

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On 21.11.2013 20:22, Hans Verkuil wrote:
On 11/21/2013 06:49 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
Em Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:05:05 +0200
Antti Palosaari <crope@xxxxxx> escreveu:

Hello
I am adding new property for sampling rate that is ideally the only
obligatory parameter required by SDR. It is value that could be only
positive and bigger the better, lets say unsigned 64 bit is quite ideal.
That value sets maximum radio frequency possible to receive (ideal SDR).

Valid values are not always in some single range from X to Y, there
could be some multiple value ranges.

For example possible values: 1000-2000, 23459, 900001-2800000

Reading possible values from device could be nice, but not necessary.
Reading current value is more important.

Here is what I though earlier as a requirements:

sampling rate
*  values: 1 - infinity (unit: Hz, samples per second)
       currently 500 MHz is more than enough
*  operations
       GET, inquire what HW supports
       GET, get current value
       SET, set desired value


I am not sure what is best way to implement that kind of thing.
IOCTL like frequency
V4L2 Control?
put it into stream format request?

Sampling rate is actually frequency of ADC. As there devices has almost
always tuner too (practical SDR) there is need for tuner frequency too.
As tuner is still own entity, is it possible to use same frequency
parameter for both ADC and RF tuner in same device?

Well, a SDR capture device will always have ADC and RF tuner.

A SDR output device will always have a DAC and a RF transmitter.

On both cases, the sampling rate and the sampling format are mandatory
arguments.

In any case, the V4L2 API has already support for setting the mandatory
parameters of the expected stream, at struct v4l2_format.

So, it makes sense do do:

  struct v4l2_format {
          __u32    type;
          union {
                  struct v4l2_pix_format          pix;     /* V4L2_BUF_TYPE_VIDEO_CAPTURE */
                  struct v4l2_pix_format_mplane   pix_mp;  /* V4L2_BUF_TYPE_VIDEO_CAPTURE_MPLANE */
                  struct v4l2_window              win;     /* V4L2_BUF_TYPE_VIDEO_OVERLAY */
                  struct v4l2_vbi_format          vbi;     /* V4L2_BUF_TYPE_VBI_CAPTURE */
                  struct v4l2_sliced_vbi_format   sliced;  /* V4L2_BUF_TYPE_SLICED_VBI_CAPTURE */
+                struct v4l2_sdr_format          sdr;     /* V4L2_BUF_TYPE_SDR_CAPTURE */
                  __u8    raw_data[200];                   /* user-defined */
          } fmt;
  };

And add the mandatory parameters for SDR inside its own structure, e. g.
struct v4l2_sdr_format. Of course, the meta-data provided by a SDR device
is different than the one for video or vbi, so you'll need to add a new
streaming type for SDR anyway.

Btw, that's what I proposed here:

http://git.linuxtv.org/mchehab/experimental.git/blob/refs/heads/sdr:/include/uapi/linux/videodev2.h

With regards to the sampling rate range, my proposal there were to add a min/max
value for it, to be used by VIDIOC_G_FMT, as proposed on:
	http://git.linuxtv.org/mchehab/experimental.git/commitdiff/c3a73f84f038f043aeda5d5bfccc6fea66291451

So, the v4l2_sdr_format should be like:

+struct v4l2_sdr_format {
+       __u32                           sampleformat;
+       __u32                           sample_rate;            /* in Hz */
+       __u32                           min_sample_rate;        /* in Hz */
+       __u32                           max_sample_rate;        /* in Hz */
+
+} __attribute__ ((packed));

Where sampleformat would be something similar to FOURCC, defining the
size of each sample, its format, and if the sampling is in quadradure,
if they're plain PCM samples, or something more complex, like DPCM, RLE,
etc.

In the specific case of enumerating the sampling rate range, if the
sampling rate can have multiple ranges, then maybe we'll need to do
something more complex like what was done on VIDIOC_ENUM_FRAMESIZES.

Could this ioctl be adapted for this:

http://hverkuil.home.xs4all.nl/spec/media.html#vidioc-enum-freq-bands

BTW, can the sample rate change while streaming? Typically things you set
through S_FMT can not be changed while streaming.

Yes, but in practice it is uncommon. When I reverse-engineered Mirics MSi2500 USB ADC I did it hundred of times. Just started streaming and injected numbers to ADC control registers, then calculated sampling rate from the stream. That is only use case I know currently, there still could be some others. Nothing prevents do to it, the key issue is that sampling rate is needed to known by app. It is app developer choice if he wants to restart streaming when changes sampling rate.

ADC sampling frequency has no direct relation to stream format. See for example those Mirics libv4lconvert patches I send earlier that week.

regards
Antti
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