Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] v4l: Add V4L2_CID_PRESET_WHITE_BALANCE menu control

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Hi HeungJun,

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 03:35:59PM +0900, HeungJun, Kim wrote:
> Hi Sakari,
> 
> Thanks for the comments!
> 
> Your comments help me to order my thoughts and re-send RFC.
> 
> Anyway, I hope to be happy new year :)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: linux-media-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:linux-media-
> > owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sakari Ailus
> > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 8:34 AM
> > To: Laurent Pinchart
> > Cc: Sylwester Nawrocki; HeungJun, Kim; linux-media@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > mchehab@xxxxxxxxxx; hverkuil@xxxxxxxxx; kyungmin.park@xxxxxxxxxxx; Hans de
> > Goede
> > Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] v4l: Add V4L2_CID_PRESET_WHITE_BALANCE menu
> > control
> > 
> > Hi Laurent, Sylwester and HeungJun,
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 02:51:38PM +0100, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Wednesday 28 December 2011 14:35:00 Sylwester Nawrocki wrote:
> > > > On 12/28/2011 07:23 AM, HeungJun, Kim wrote:
> > > > > It adds the new CID for setting White Balance Preset. This CID is
> > > > > provided as menu type using the following items:
> > > > > 0 - V4L2_WHITE_BALANCE_INCANDESCENT,
> > > > > 1 - V4L2_WHITE_BALANCE_FLUORESCENT,
> > > > > 2 - V4L2_WHITE_BALANCE_DAYLIGHT,
> > > > > 3 - V4L2_WHITE_BALANCE_CLOUDY,
> > > > > 4 - V4L2_WHITE_BALANCE_SHADE,
> > > >
> > > > I have been also investigating those white balance presets recently and
> > > > noticed they're also needed for the pwc driver. Looking at
> > > > drivers/media/video/pwc/pwc-v4l2.c there is something like:
> > > >
> > > > const char * const pwc_auto_whitebal_qmenu[] = {
> > > > 	"Indoor (Incandescant Lighting) Mode",
> > > > 	"Outdoor (Sunlight) Mode",
> > > > 	"Indoor (Fluorescent Lighting) Mode",
> > > > 	"Manual Mode",
> > > > 	"Auto Mode",
> > > > 	NULL
> > > > };
> > > >
> > > > static const struct v4l2_ctrl_config pwc_auto_white_balance_cfg = {
> > > > 	.ops	= &pwc_ctrl_ops,
> > > > 	.id	= V4L2_CID_AUTO_WHITE_BALANCE,
> > > > 	.type	= V4L2_CTRL_TYPE_MENU,
> > > > 	.max	= awb_auto,
> > > > 	.qmenu	= pwc_auto_whitebal_qmenu,
> > > > };
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > 	cfg = pwc_auto_white_balance_cfg;
> > > > 	cfg.name = v4l2_ctrl_get_name(cfg.id);
> > > > 	cfg.def = def;
> > > > 	pdev->auto_white_balance = v4l2_ctrl_new_custom(hdl, &cfg, NULL);
> > > >
> > > > So this driver re-defines V4L2_CID_AUTO_WHITE_BALANCE as a menu control
> > > > with custom entries. That's interesting... However it works in practice
> > > > and applications have access to what's provided by hardware.
> > > > Perhaps V4L2_CID_AUTO_WHITE_BALANCE_TEMPERATURE would be a better fit for
> > > > that :)
> > > >
> > > > Nevertheless, redefining standard controls in particular drivers sounds
> > > > a little dubious. I wonder if this is a generally agreed approach ?
> > >
> > > No agreed with me at least :-)
> > >
> > > > Then, how does your V4L2_CID_PRESET_WHITE_BALANCE control interact with
> > > > V4L2_CID_AUTO_WHITE_BALANCE control ? Does V4L2_CID_AUTO_WHITE_BALANCE
> need
> > > > to be set to false for V4L2_CID_PRESET_WHITE_BALANCE to be effective ?
> > >
> > > Is the preset a fixed white balance setting, or is it an auto white balance
> > > with the algorithm tuned for a particular configuration ? In the first case,
> > > does it correspond to a fixed white balance temperature value ?
> > 
> > While I'm waiting for a final answer to this, I guess it's the second. There
> > are three things involved here:
> > 
> > - V4L2_CID_WHITE_BALANCE_TEMPERATURE: relatively low level control telling
> >   the colour temperature of the light source. Setting a value for this
> >   essentially means using manual white balance.
> > 
> > - V4L2_CID_AUTO_WHITE_BALANCE: automatic white balance enabled or disabled.
> > 
> > The new control proposed by HeungJun is input for the automatic white
> > balance algorithm unless I'm mistaken. Whether or not the value is static,
> > however, might be considered of secondary importance: it is a name instead
> > of a number and clearly intended to be used as a high level control. I'd
> > still expect it to be a hint for the algorithm.
> > 
> > The value of the new control would have an effect as long as automatic white
> > balance is enabled.
> No, it's a kind of Manual White Balance, not Auto. It's the same level of
> V4L2_CID_WHITE_BALANCE_TEMPERATURE. So, only when V4L2_CID_AUTO_WHITE_BALANCE is
> 
> disabled, this control is enabled.

I guess M-5MOLS doesn't provide a colour temperature or any other means to
specify white balance manually besides the presets?

> The relationship between each white balance controls by my understanding is
> here.
> 
> Auto White Balance
>   - V4L2_CID_AUTO_WHITE_BALANCE(Boolean)
>     : enable/disable Auto white balance.
>     : Enable means current mode is Auto, and disable means current mode is
> Manual
> 
> Manual White Balance
>   - V4L2_CID_WHITE_BALANCE_TEMPERATURE(integer)
>     : Setting the temperature of Manual
>     : Only when the V4L2_CID_AUTO_WHITE_BALANCE is disabled, and current mode
> Manual.

Yes, if the white balance is specified as colour temperature. As Hans noted,
there are other way to specify it. If auto wb is enabled, this control also
could be busy to tell the colour temperature estimate. That depends on the
device, though.

> - V4L2_CID_WHITE_BALANCE_PRESET(menu) - I suggested
>     : Setting the specific temperature value(but, the value is not fetched by
> user) of Manual
>     : Only when the V4L2_CID_AUTO_WHITE_BALANCE is disabled, and current mode
> Manual.

if that really is just a fixed white balance preset with a name, this
definitely makes sense.

Kind regards,

-- 
Sakari Ailus
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