On Jan 16 15:39, Hans Verkuil wrote: > On 16/01/2023 14:35, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > > On Jan 16 11:08, Hans Verkuil wrote: > >> On 16/01/2023 10:53, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > >>> I only learned about this yesterday, so I hope I'm not too late. > >>> > >>> Please don't do that. You're about to remove working drivers used by a > >>> lot of people. > >>> [...] > >>> I'm fortunate that I even learned about this developement, being a > >>> developer myself, but how's a normal user to know that a Linux driver > >>> they are using every day is about to be removed from the kernel? Again, > >>> please don't break the equipment of us users of these DVB-C and DVB-S > >>> cards for the future. > >> > >> I've dropped the PR for now. > > > > I'm really glad to read that. > > > >> [...] > >> One partial solution would be to drop analog video support from saa7146, > >> since that's the bit that uses this framework. DVB would remain working, > >> but analog video support would die, unless someone steps up to do the > >> conversion from vb1 to vb2. > > > > Maybe I'm biased, but who has actually still access to analog TV? I'm > > not sure about that, but in Germany, analog TV over terrestrial antenna > > has been dropped about 2005. Analog satellite has gone 2012. Analog > > cable took until 2019. I don't know about other regions. > > Analog TV is almost certainly still used in places. > > But it's not so much about TV as it is about analog video in general, so > also capturing from S-Video or composite connectors. That's definitely > still used. Ok. I was too TV focused, apparently. Yeah, S-Video recording still makes sense. > >> So support for the old MXB, Hexium Gemini and Hexium Orion would die, but > >> for the other DVB devices it would stay alive. > > > > So, yeah, from my POV this might be an option. > > > >> I'm honestly quite surprised that these old DVB PCI cards are still in > >> use, I did not expect that. > > > > There isn't a really well-working alternative, unless you plug in lots > > of USB devices instead. Even more important these days, the cards are > > still working, despite their age. There's really no good reason to > > throw them into the dustbin and buy something new, instead of trying to > > use working equipment as long as possible to save waste. > > OK, I'll make a new PR that keeps the saa7146 for now, and work on removing > analog video support from saa7146. That sounds great to me. Thanks for your understanding! Best, Corinna
