Hi Jacopo, On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 12:00:05PM +0200, Jacopo Mondi wrote: > Hello, > I'm breaking out a discussion point from a review comment I > received from Dave on the following patch > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/20221005190613.394277-1-jacopo@xxxxxxxxxx/T/#m3308616247d646ebecad89c158a622de35f1cce3 > to collect opinions and possibily define what is the the expected behaviour > for sensor drivers. > > The controls I'm here considering are H/VBLANK and EXPOSURE, but the > question might generally apply to other controls as well. > > To summarize the issue: > > When a new mode is applied the blanking controls limits (min/max) > have to be updated to reflect the new configuration. > > In example > > max_hblank = AR0521_TOTAL_WIDTH_MAX - sensor->fmt.width; > __v4l2_ctrl_modify_range(sensor->ctrls.hblank, > sensor->ctrls.hblank->minimum, > max_hblank, sensor->ctrls.hblank->step, > sensor->ctrls.hblank->minimum); > > max_vblank = AR0521_TOTAL_HEIGHT_MAX - sensor->fmt.height; > __v4l2_ctrl_modify_range(sensor->ctrls.vblank, > sensor->ctrls.vblank->minimum, > max_vblank, sensor->ctrls.vblank->step, > sensor->ctrls.vblank->minimum); > > The questions I would like to clarify, and possibily define a standard > behaviour that userspace can relay on, are: > > 1) When a new format is applied to the sensor, should the control value > and its default value be updated as well to maintain the same (or as close > as possible) configuration as the initial one, or should they be left > unchanged (apart for clamping them in the new limits, which is > automatically done by the v4l2-controls framework) ? > > 2) Can userspace rely on the control default value (set at initialization > time and after a mode change) to represent a sensible configuration, in > example a tested and known-to-work framerate ? What exactly do you mean by a "sensible configuration"? > > There are two main arguments in favour or againt resetting controls > when a new mode is applied. The obvious one in favour is that when a > new mode is applied, userspace can rely on a default configuration > that is reasonable and known to work and the control default value > can be used a reference if the control is later modified during > streaming. Also, not resetting controls can leave the sensor driver in > an unspecified (but hopefully valid) state (see Laurent's example in [1]) The control values should remain valid and this needs to be ensured by the driver. E.g. the CCS driver just changes the range (as above) as it is oblivious to modes. I don't object resetting the values to defaults (or changing defaults) in mode based drivers *if* that's helpful for the user space. In general controls and other sensor configurations should be independent but obviously when it comes to e.g. the blanking controls, there is a dependency. > > This mostly benefits 'generic' userspace which is not interested in > modifying blankings, but also provide 'specialized' userspace a > reference to compute a default configuration which is known to work. > > However, on the other hand, such a behaviour would prevent (or make > harder) concurrent access to the camera from different applications. > The most trivial example is a camera viewer that does not control > blankings, which are side-configured by the user through another > application (say, v4l2-ctl). In this case, when a mode is set on the > sensor the blanking values are reset, overwriting the manually applied > configuration. This is a common use case when developing, when > a configuration is forced on the sensor to validate it, but it's a valid use > case in general, as a mode configuration would then actually > overwrite other parameters that might be considered "unrelated" to the > output resolution and format. > > Once we establish an expected behaviour, should we try to document it > and possibly enforce it in sensor drivers through reviews and > hopefully by providing helpers ? Whatever the decision ends up being > I think we want to standardize sensor drivers to behave the same. > > Thanks > j > > [1] https://lists.libcamera.org/pipermail/libcamera-devel/2022-October/034885.html > " Consider a case with two modes, lores and hires. As > sensors typically express horizontal blanking as a horizontal total > size, the hblank control max value will be larger for lores than hires. > If the sensor were to set the default hblank to a value valid for lores > but not hires, switching from lores -> hires -> lores would change the > effective hblank value even if userspace doesn't touch the hblank > control at all." -- Kind regards, Sakari Ailus
