Keeping v4l1 because some guys are still using some ancient setup is not a good reason. Keeping v4l1 because some app devs still haven't bothered to update their apps is not a good reason, especially given the amount of time they've had to complete this task. Keeping v4l1 because package maintainers haven't bothered to update their packages is not a good reason. To put it simply, v4l1 is just dragging along dead weight. It has been replaced by something better and there's no reasonable excuse to keep dragging it along. There will always be someone complaining because there will always be someone neglecting to make the transition until the last possible second or resisting change even when it's for the better. App devs that haven't bothered to update -- you've had plenty of time to get it done. If you app breaks, it's not v4l's fault at this point. Users still on ancient hardware -- consider updating to cheap newer alternatives but don't expect v4l to be held back because you refuse to move forward. Or politely request old drivers be converted. Package maintainers -- if it's too much of a hassle to keep your package(s) updated, consider giving that responsibility to someone else. The points made in this thread make it pretty obvious that dumping v4l1 altogether is easily for the best and has only very minimal negative impact. And the negatives aren't anything that can't be resolved completely with a little commitment to do so. Best regards, Derek -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html