Em Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:27:22 +0200 Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@xxxxxx> escreveu: > Hi Mauro, > > I'm replying below but let me first summarise the remaining problem area > that this patchset addresses. Sorry for answering too late. Somehow, I missed this email in the cloud. > The problems you and Shuah have seen and partially addressed are related to > a larger picture which is the lifetime of (mostly) memory resources related > to various objects used by as well both the Media controller and V4L2 > frameworks (including videobuf2) as the drivers which make use of these > frameworks. > > The Media controller and V4L2 interfaces exposed by drivers consist of > multiple devices nodes, data structures with interdependencies within the > frameworks themselves and dependencies from the driver's own data structures > towards the framework data structures. The Media device and the media graph > objects are central to the problem area as well. > > So what are the issues then? Until now, we've attempted to regulate the > users' ability to access the devices at the time they're being unregistered > (and the associated memory released), but that approach does not really > scale: you have to make sure that the unregistering also will not take place > _during_ the system call --- not just in the beginning of it. > > The media graph contains media graph objects, some of which are media > entities (contained in struct video_device or struct v4l2_subdev, for > instance). Media entities as graph nodes have links to other entities. In > order to implement the system calls, the drivers do parse this graph in > order to obtain information they need to obtain from it. For instance, it's > not uncommon for an implementation for video node format enumeration to > figure out which sub-device the link from that video nodes leads to. Drivers > may also have similar paths they follow. > > Interrupt handling may also be taking place during the device removal during > which a number of data structures are now freed. This really does call for a > solution based on reference counting. > > This leads to the conclusion that all the memory resources that could be > accessed by the drivers or the kernel frameworks must stay intact until the > last file handle to the said devices is closed. Otherwise, there is a > possibility of accessing released memory. So far, we're aligned. > Right now in a lot of the cases, such as for video device and sub-device > nodes, we do release the memory when a device (as in struct device) is being > unregistered. There simply is in the current mainline kernel a way to do > this in a safe way. > Drivers do use devm_() family of functions to allocate > the memory of the media graph object and their internal data structures. Removing devm_() from those drivers seem to be the first thing to do, and it is independent from any MC rework. As you'll see below, we have different opinions on other matters, so, my suggestion about how to proceed is that you should submit first the things we're aligned. In other words, please submit the patches that get rid of devm_() first. Then, we can address the remaining stuff. > > With this patchset: > > - The media_device which again contains the media_devnode is allocated > dynamically. The lifetime of the media device --- and the media graph > objects it contains --- is bound to device nodes that are bound to the > media device (video and sub-device nodes) as well as open file handles. No. Data structures with cdev embedded into them have their lifetime controlled by the driver's core, and are destroyed only when there's no pending fops. The current approach uses device's core dev.release() callback to release memory. In other words, dev.release() is only called after the driver's base knows that the cdev is not in use anymore. So, no ioctl() or any other syscalls on that point. Ok, nothing prevents some driver to do the wrong thing, keeping a copy of struct device and using it after free, for example storing it on a devm alocated memory, and printing some debug message after struct device is freed, but this is a driver's bug. What really worries me on this series is that it seemed that you didn't understood how the current approach works. So, you decided to just revert it and start from scratch. This is dangerous, as it could cause problems to other scenarios than yours. > - Care is taken that the unregistration process and releasing memory happens > in the right order. This was not always the case previously. Freeing memory for struct media_devnode, struct device and struct cdev is currently handled by the driver's core, when it known to be safe, and using the same logic that other subsystems do. We might do it different, but we need a strong reason to do it, as going away from the usual practice is dangerous. > - The driver remains responsible for the memory of the video and sub-device > nodes. However, now the Media controller provides a convenient callback to > the driver to release any memory resources when the time has come to do > so. This takes place just before the media device memory is released. Drivers could use devnode->dev.release for that. Of course, if they override it, they should be calling media_devnode_release() on their internal release functions. > - Drivers that do not strictly need to be removable require no changes. The > benefits of this set become tangible for any driver by changing how the > driver allocates memory for the data structures. Ideally at least > drivers for hot-removable devices should be converted. Drivers should allow device removal and/or driver removal. If you're doing any change here, you need to touch *all* drivers to use the new way. > In order to make the current drivers to behave well it is necessary to make > changes to how memory is allocated in the drivers. If you look at the sample > patches that are part of the set for the omap3isp driver, you'll find that > around 95% of the changes are related to removing the user of devm_() family > of functions instead of Media controller API changes. In this regard, the > approach taken here requires very little if any additional overhead. Well, send the patches that do the 95% of the changes first e. g. devm_() removal, and check if you aren't using any dev_foo() printk after unregister, and send such patch series, without RFC. Then test what's still broken, if any and let's discuss with your results, in a way that we can all reproduce the issues you may be facing on other drivers that don't use devm*(). > On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 03:46:08PM -0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Em Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:00:58 -0700 > > Shuah Khan <shuahkh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu: > > > > > > Maybe we can get the Media Device Allocator API work in and then we can > > > > get your RFC series in after that. Here is what I propose: > > > > > > > > - Keep the fixes in 4.9 > > > > Fixes should always be kept. Reverting a fix is not an option. > > Instead, do incremental patches on the top of it. > > > > > > - Get Media Device Allocator API patches into 4.9. > > > > > > I meant 4.10 not 4.9 > > > > > > > - snd-usb-auido work go into 4.10 > > > > Sounds like a plan. > > > > > > Then your RFC series could go in. I am looking at the RFC series and that > > > > the drivers need to change as well, so this RFC work could take longer. > > > > Since we have to make media_device sharable, it is necessary to have a > > > > global list approach Media Device Allocator API takes. So it is possible > > > > for your RFC series to go on top of the Media Device Allocator API. > > > > Firstly, the RFC series should be converted into something that can > > be applicable upstream, e. g.: > > > > - doing the changes over the top of upstream, instead of needing to > > revert patches; > > The patches are in fact on top of the current media-tree, or were when they > were sent (v4). > > The reason I'm reverting patches is that the reason why these patches were > merged was not because they would have been a sound way forward for the > Media controller framework, but because they partially worked around issues > in a device being in use while it was removed. > > They never were a complete fix for these problems nor I do think they could > be extended to be such. There were also unaddressed issues in these patches > pointed out during the review. For these reasons I'm reverting the three > patches. In more detail: > > * media: fix media devnode ioctl/syscall and unregister race > 6f0dd24a084a > > The patch clears the registered bit before performing the steps related to > unregistering a media device, but the bit is checked only at the beginning > of the IOCTL call. As unregistering a device and an IOCTL call on a file > handle of that device are not serialised, nothing guarantees the IOCTL call > will finish with the registered bit still in the same state. Serialising the > two e.g. by using a mutex is hardly a feasible solution for this. > > I may have pointed out the original problem but this is not the solution. > > <URL:http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-media/msg101295.html> > > The right solution is instead to make sure the data structures related to > the media device will not disappear while the IOCTL call is in progress (at > least). They won't. Device core won't call dev.release() while an ioctl doesn't finish. So, the struct device and struct devnode will exist while the ioctl (or any other fops) is handled. > * media: fix use-after-free in cdev_put() when app exits after driver unbind > 5b28dde51d0c > > The patch avoids the problem of deleting a character device (cdev_del()) > after its memory has been released. The change is sound as such but the > problem is addressed by another, a lot more simple patch in my series: > > <URL:http://git.retiisi.org.uk/?p=~sailus/linux.git;a=commitdiff;h=26fa8c1a3df5859d34cef8ef953e3a29a432a17b> Your approach is not clean, as it is based on a cdev's hack of doing: devnode->cdev.kobj.parent = &devnode->dev.kobj; That is an ugly hack, as it touches inside cdev's internal stuff, to do something that the driver's core doesn't expect. This is the kind of patch that could cause messy errors, by cheating with the cdev's internal refcount checking. Btw, your approach require changes on *all* drivers, in order to make device release work, with is a way more complex than changing just the core. as the current approach. > It might be possible to reasonably continue from here if the next patch to > be reverted did not depend on this one. > > * media-device: dynamically allocate struct media_devnode > > This creates a two-way dependency between struct media_devnode and > media_device. This is very much against the original design which clearly > separates the two: media_devnode is entirely independent of media_device. Those structs are still independent. > The original intent was that another sub-system in the kernel such as the > V4L2 could make use of media_devnode as well and while that hasn't happened, > perhaps the two could be merged. There simply are no other reasons to keep > the two structs separate. > > The patch is certainly a workaround, as it (partially, again) works around > issues in timing of releasing memory and accessing it. > > The proper solutions regarding the media_device and media_devnode are either > maintain the separation or unify the two, and this patch does nor suggests > either of these. To the contrary: it makes either of these impossible by > design, and this reason alone is enough to revert it. > > The set I'm pushing maintains the separation and leaves the option of either > merging the two (media_device and media_devnode) or making use of > media_devnode elsewhere open. As mentioned before, being based on a hack doesn't make it nice for upstream merging. The current approach uses the recommended way: the structure with cdev embedded should be dynamically allocated. Well, we could merge media_device and media_devnode, but, in this case, we'll need to not embed media_device, in order to avoid hacks like the above. > > - change all drivers as the kAPI changes; > > The patchset actually adds new APIs rather than changing the OLD one --- as > the old one was simply that drivers were responsible for allocating the data > structures related to a media device. Existing drivers should continue to > work as they did before without changes. Are you sure? Did you try the tests we did with binding/unbind, device removal/insert and probe/remove of em28xx with your patches applied? With that regards, you should really test it on an USB device, with is hot-pluggable. There, you'll see a lot more memory lifetime issues than on omap3. > Naturally, to get full benetifs of the changes, driver changes will be also > required (see the beginning of the message). The test cases we did works on em28xx. If, after each patch of this series, a regression happens, you need to address. I suspect that, even applying the entire series, there will still be regressions, as I don't see any changes to em28xx on this patch series. > The set has been posted as RFC in order to get reviews. It makes no sense to > convert all the drivers and then start changing APIs, affecting all those > converted drivers. Well, while it is not complete and still cause regressions, It can't be considered ready for upstream review. > > > > - be git bisectable, e. g. all patches should compile and run fine > > after each single patch, without introducing regressions. > > Compilation has already been tested (on ARM) on each patch applied in order. Good, but the best is to test it also on x86. Please notice that just compiling doesn't ensure that it doesn't introduce regressions. You should do your best to avoid regressions on every single patch on your patch series. > > > > That probably means that the series should be tested not only on > > omap3, but also on some other device drivers. > > I fully agree with that. More review, testing and changes to at least some > drivers (mostly for removable devices) will be needed before merging them, > that's for sure. Good! One more point we agree :-) -- Thanks, Mauro -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
