Hi Jean:
Jean Delvare wrote:
Hi John,
(re-adding linux-media on Cc as I doubt you dropped it on purpose...)
Right: I do subconsciously expect 'reply' to go to the list, and don't
always remember to check first. No doubt you got two copies.
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:46:04 +0000, John Pilkington wrote:
Jean Delvare wrote:
* Enterprise-class distributions (RHEL, SLED) are not the right target
for the v4l-dvb repository, so we don't care which kernels these are
running.
I think you should be aware that the mythtv and ATrpms communities
include a significant number of people who have chosen to use the
CentOS_5 series in the hope of getting systems that do not need to be
reinstalled every few months. I hope you won't disappoint them.
CentOS is a parasite, if it dies I can't care less. CentOS users have
the recurrent habit to expect professional support from the community
without giving anything in return. Even worse: they consider that
running an antediluvian OS is the default and they don't understand why
upstream developers won't help them.
You said it yourself: they expect to be able to keep the same system
for a long time. This is a service you normally get from Red Hat or
Novell, and you pay for it. This is something the community is
generally not willing to offer for free, because it is not fun.
I know there is a range of visions from linux-as-playground to
linux-as-tool. Sometimes just learning to use the tool is not a trivial
matter, and shows enthusiasm too. I recognize that enthusiasm is the
great driver of development, but would still hope that users might
expect to be able to slow their personal treadmills without actually
falling off. :-)
If the MythTV community cares that much about the v4l-dvb tree, they are
free to fork it right before support for kernel 2.6.18 is dropped, and
maintain that copy themselves. But their model is broken to start with:
sticking to a several-year-old kernel and OS, and OTOH picking critical
(for their use case) kernel drivers from a development tree which
evolves continuously by definition, makes little sense. Then again, I
would be happy to keep support for them if the cost wasn't too high.
But right now, the cost _is_ too high.
Your view of community distributions is a bit too negative BTW. You
don't need to go to the extreme CentOS_5 is to not have to reinstall
every few months. openSUSE distributions are maintained for 2 years for
example.
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