Hi Devin, your numbers say something but not everything if you don't compare the date of the user's subscription. I am new to the forum for about 2 months and when I was able to help or offer something I did it. Especially for some questions about some chipsets I could have interesting answers when neccessary. But I will not spent more time to delete several e-mails about analog, webcams etc. where I have no knowledge or interest. It's possible that it will be better in average, who knows, but not in all cases. The remaining time when linux-dvb is alive I am there. I wish you easier work with linux-media. But without me. Have a nice day, Tomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Devin Heitmueller" <devin.heitmueller@xxxxxxxxx> To: <ajurik@xxxxxxxx> Cc: <linux-dvb@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <linux-media@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [linux-dvb] Cross-posting linux-media, linux-dvb etc > I spent the morning giving some consideration to the comments people > made regarding the merging of the mailing lists. As with most > attempts at an optimization, there are cases that get more efficient > and cases that get less efficient. If done properly, the important > cases improve in efficiency while the cases that are less critical end > up a little less efficient. > > Clearly, there are two classes of users on the mailing lists: those > who read it and those who read it *and* actively contribute to it. > One of the key goals behind merging the lists was to make it more > efficient for those who have to reply to emails to not have to deal > with duplicated content, since in reality a large portion of the > emails come from people who want their device to work, and don't even > know the differences between acronyms like ATSC, QAM, DVB-T, DVB-C, > analog, etc. > > Looking at the people who have responded to this thread, and the > number of threads they have actually contributed on in the last year, > the disparity is obvious: > > People "in favor" of the lists being merged > 118 Patrick Boettcher > 205 Hans Verkuil > 38 Mike Isely > 196 Devin Heitmueller > "hundreds" Mauro Carvalho Chehab > > People "against" of the lists being merged > 2 Lars Hanisch > 17 user.vdr > 16 Klaus Schmidinger > 2 Bob Cunningham > 10 Tomas Drajsajtl > 17 Ales Jurik > > Yup, it's the developers who are posting on a regular basis who feel > the pain of the two different lists. It's the people who are actively > replying to issues, dealing with problems, and trying to keep track of > it all who want the lists merged. That said, I personally don't feel > any guilt in inconveniencing a few users who are not contributing if > it makes it easier for the people who contribute to the list on a > daily basis. > > I would love to hear more from people who have contributed to more > than 20 threads who think having the two lists are a good idea. I > doubt there will be many of them. > > I was also giving some thought to the notion of a having separate > lists for users versus developers. While this works in some > communities, I am not confident it would be appropriate for ours. > Why? Because the notion of a "users" list is only useful in cases > where you have a large pool of users who are willing to answer > questions for others. Look at the back history of the v4l and > linux-dvb lists, and that is nowhere to be found (aside from a few > people like CityK). The vast majority of questions are answered by a > handful of developers, and it is no more convenient for those > developers to have separate lists. In fact, it's less convenient > since it results in the developers being required to watch both lists. > Think of all the projects where the "-dev" list is high traffic, but > almost all of the traffic on the "-users" list goes unanswered. > > Do you want a separate users list and you're not a developer? If so, > volunteer to help out by answering other people's emails if you know > the answer. CityK is a shining example of this - every email he > answers about one of the devices I did the driver for is an email I > don't have to answer myself, which allows me to spend more time > writing drivers. If we see lots of users helping each other out by > answering the questions of other users, only then will I see a > "-users" list as a sustainable idea that is worth pursuing. > > Devin > > -- > Devin J. Heitmueller > http://www.devinheitmueller.com > AIM: devinheitmueller > > _______________________________________________ > linux-dvb users mailing list > For V4L/DVB development, please use instead linux-media@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > linux-dvb@xxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
