Re: Wording issue in kill(2) with sig=0

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On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 09:46:47PM +0200, Amit Pinhas wrote:
> Hello! :)
> I sent the patch the way that I read in the docs that you sent me, hope I
> did everything right (or at least some of it :)).
> I would like to make sure that everything was properly sent :)
> Thanks!

Hello!  :)

Yep, it looks quite good.  I have some minor comments about the source
code itself, but the process looks good.  Thanks!


Cheers,
Alex

> 
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 at 02:09, Alejandro Colomar <alx@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Amit,
> >
> > Please CC the mailing list.  (I've added it now.)
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 09:43:43PM +0200, Amit Pinhas wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > > My name is Amit, and I started getting deep into both linux kernel and
> > user
> > > space programming in the last few years.
> > > During my journey, I stumbled upon a small mistake, or rather a
> > misphrasing
> > > in `man 2 kill`.
> > >
> > > At my scenario, I was looking to check an existence of a certain process,
> > > and so i have seen that kill will check it for me, as mentioned:
> > > ```
> > >
> > > If *sig* is 0, then no signal is sent, but existence and permission
> > > checks are still performed; this can be used to check for the
> > > existence of a process ID...
> > >
> > > ```
> > > Which is great! I was trying it and it worked just as I expected.
> > > When the process did exist, I would get 0 as a success, and if not, then
> > > the call failed, as I expected.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, when I read the `RETURN VALUE` section, I saw a small
> > > misphrasing:
> > > ```
> > >
> > > On success (at least one signal was sent), zero is returned.  On
> > > error, -1 is returned...
> > >
> > > ```
> > > Which seemed rational.
> > >
> > > But wait! How can I get 0 when providing sig=0, if no signal was actually
> > > sent, which is the criteria for success of this call???
> > >
> > > If i understand correctly, there should be a disclaimer, something like:
> > > ```
> > >
> > > On success (at least one signal was sent *or if sig=0 and the checks
> > > done were successful*), zero is returned.  On
> > > error, -1 is returned...
> >
> > You're correct.  I'd maybe rephrase it differently:
> >
> >         On success, zero is returned.  If signals were sent to a process
> >         group, success means that at least one signal was delivered.
> >
> >         On error, -1 is returned...
> >
> > This helps clarify what the sentence really meant.
> >
> > >
> > > ```
> > >
> > > If you read my thoughts this far, thank you for your time! I love your
> > work
> > > and keep it going!
> >
> > Thanks!  :)
> >
> > > I would like to know how and if I could fix the man page if needed :)
> >
> > Sure, you can send a patch!  Here are the contributing guidelines:
> >
> > <
> > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/docs/man-pages/man-pages.git/tree/CONTRIBUTING
> > >
> > <
> > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/docs/man-pages/man-pages.git/tree/CONTRIBUTING.d/
> > >
> >
> > You'll first need to clone the repository with git(1), and edit the file
> > <man/man2/kill.2>.  Then do a commit.  Then format a patch, and then
> > send it.  Sending it is the most difficult part, if you're not used to
> > it, but we can help with that.  Feel free to ask if you have any doubts!
> > It may be difficult to write the first patch, so ask as much as you
> > need.
> >
> > > Have a nice day guys!
> > > Much love from Israel :)
> >
> > Have a lovely night!
> > Alex
> >
> > --
> > <https://www.alejandro-colomar.es/>
> >

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