Hi Arnav, Xavier, On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 07:29:19PM +0200, Xavier Leroy wrote: > On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 12:25 PM Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > Hi Xavier, > > > > On 5/21/23 11:40, Xavier Leroy wrote: > > > Hello Alex, > > > > > > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 8:23 PM Alex Colomar <alx.manpages@xxxxxxxxx> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hello Xavier, > > >> > > >> I see there are some manual pages in the glibc-doc package. > > >> Most of glibc's manual pages are part of the Linux man-pages > > >> project. I would be interested in absorbing the ones present > > >> in the glibc-doc package into the Linux man-pages project. > > >> > > >> That would probably remove whatever overhead there is in > > >> maintaining a separate package just for a few manual pages. > > >> > > >> Would you like that? > > >> > > > > > > Well, I wrote those man pages a long time ago, in the late 1990's, to > > > document the first version of the LinuxThreads library. The LinuxThreads > > > code was later completely rewritten by Drepper and Molnar at Redhat (for > > > the better!), so I forgot about the man pages, and did not know they were > > > still distributed as part of the glibc-doc package. > > > > > > I hope the pages have been maintained and updated by the Glibc team, > > > because the first version that I wrote was fairly specific to the > > > LinuxThreads v1 implementation and its limitations, and is probably > > useless > > > today. Likewise, the POSIX Threads standard changed quite a bit in the > > > last 25 years, with new functions that are implemented in Glibc but lack > > a > > > man page in glibc-doc. > > > > Thanks for the history. I've investigated a bit after your email. > > > > Thanks for the historian's work ! > > > > It seems that the pages were removed from glibc upstream in 2005 [1], > > > > This is consistent with the development of NPTL, the LinuxTheads > replacement, at RedHat in 2004-2005. Once NPTL was ready for inclusion in > Glibc, it made sense to remove the LinuxThread man pages. > > > > and then imported in the Debian glibc source package later in 2013 [2]. > > > > I didn't know about that. Strange move from the Debian maintainers. > > The last time a page's text was updated seems from 2002 by Drepper. > > > > OK, this confirms that the text is probably outdated. > > > > > > > > > > To answer your question: > > > - I don't think it's a good idea to take these man pages "as is" and drop > > > them in the man-pages project, because they are probably obsolete and > > > incomplete. > > > - However, if you or others would like to use these man pages as a > > starting > > > point for a comprehensive, up-to-date and maintained documentation for > > > POSIX Threads functions in Linux, you're most welcome. > > > - In both cases, I'd like my name and e-mail address to be removed from > > the > > > man pages, as I no longer support them. > > > > Yes, I plan to import these pages, specifying the historic details > > found in this thread, keeping your name in the import commit, if you > > don't mind, and then remove your name in the first commit, and start > > cleaning them up. I'd compare them to the POSIX pages, to see if > > there's any obviously outdated stuff, and fix it. Small details > > that are not obvious from reading POSIX, I guess time will fix them. > > > > So, you want your name removed. Any other request? The pages don't > > seem to have a license. Should GPL be applied to them as they were > > once part of glibc? If so, is GPL-3.0-or-later a good one? Or > > should I relicense as Linux-man-pages-copyleft? > > > > I'm happy with the man-pages-copyleft license. If you need me to write a > more formal message for the licensing of these pages, let me know. No need, thanks! I had forgotten about this. Arnav reminded me. I'll start now. Cheers, Alex > > No other requests than 1- removing my name, and 2- updating the pages as > much as you and others can. > > > > > Does the above plan look good to you? > > > > Yes ! Thank you for proposing it. > > Kind regards, > > - Xavier Leroy > > > > > Cheers, > > Alex > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > - Xavier Leroy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Alex > > >> > > >> -- > > >> <http://www.alejandro-colomar.es/> > > >> GPG key fingerprint: A9348594CE31283A826FBDD8D57633D441E25BB5 > > >> > > > > > > > [1]: > > > > alx@debian:~/src/gnu/glibc/glibc$ git lg --stat -- > > 'linuxthreads/man/pthread*'; > > * 88e3fbcb5d N - Sun, 3 Jul 2005 04:40:34 +0000 (18 years ago) > > | linuxthreads, linuxthreads_db: Directories removed (preserved > > in ports repository). - Roland McGrath| > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_atfork.man | 53 ----- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_attr_init.man | 221 > > ------------------ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_cancel.man | 155 ------------- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_cleanup_push.man | 194 ---------------- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_cond_init.man | 234 > > -------------------- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_condattr_init.man | 39 ---- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_create.man | 46 ---- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_detach.man | 44 ---- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_equal.man | 23 -- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_exit.man | 32 --- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_join.man | 70 ------ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_key_create.man | 151 ------------- > > | .../man/pthread_kill_other_threads_np.man | 40 ---- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutex_init.man | 213 > > ------------------ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutexattr_init.man | 84 ------- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutexattr_setkind_np.man | 39 ---- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_once.man | 34 --- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_self.man | 23 -- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_setschedparam.man | 79 ------- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_sigmask.man | 123 ---------- > > | 20 files changed, 1897 deletions(-) > > > > * a334319f65 N - Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:10:10 +0000 (18 years ago) > > | (CFLAGS-tst-align.c): Add -mpreferred-stack-boundary=4. - > > Ulrich Drepper| > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_atfork.man | 53 +++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_attr_init.man | 221 > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_cancel.man | 155 +++++++++++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_cleanup_push.man | 194 ++++++++++++++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_cond_init.man | 234 > > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_condattr_init.man | 39 ++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_create.man | 46 ++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_detach.man | 44 ++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_equal.man | 23 ++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_exit.man | 32 +++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_join.man | 70 ++++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_key_create.man | 151 +++++++++++++ > > | .../man/pthread_kill_other_threads_np.man | 40 ++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutex_init.man | 213 > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutexattr_init.man | 84 +++++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutexattr_setkind_np.man | 39 ++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_once.man | 34 +++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_self.man | 23 ++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_setschedparam.man | 79 +++++++ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_sigmask.man | 123 ++++++++++ > > | 20 files changed, 1897 insertions(+) > > > > * 0ecb606cb6 N - Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:26:36 +0000 (16 years ago) > > | 2.5-18.1 - Jakub Jelinek| > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_atfork.man | 53 ----- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_attr_init.man | 221 > > ------------------ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_cancel.man | 155 ------------- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_cleanup_push.man | 194 ---------------- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_cond_init.man | 234 > > -------------------- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_condattr_init.man | 39 ---- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_create.man | 46 ---- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_detach.man | 44 ---- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_equal.man | 23 -- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_exit.man | 32 --- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_join.man | 70 ------ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_key_create.man | 151 ------------- > > | .../man/pthread_kill_other_threads_np.man | 40 ---- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutex_init.man | 213 > > ------------------ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutexattr_init.man | 84 ------- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutexattr_setkind_np.man | 39 ---- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_once.man | 34 --- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_self.man | 23 -- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_setschedparam.man | 79 ------- > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_sigmask.man | 123 ---------- > > | 20 files changed, 1897 deletions(-) > > > > * 79996eeed1 N - Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:04:09 +0000 (21 years ago) > > | Update. - Ulrich Drepper| > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutex_init.man | 2 +- > > | 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) > > > > * 6736e93bab N - Sat, 6 Apr 2002 01:45:15 +0000 (21 years ago) > > | Update. - Ulrich Drepper| > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutexattr_init.man | 20 +++++------ > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutexattr_setkind_np.man | 39 > > +++++++++++++++++++++ > > | 2 files changed, 49 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-) > > > > * 638621aff9 N - Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:17:03 +0000 (21 years ago) > > | Update. - Ulrich Drepper| > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_atfork.man | 13 ++++--------- > > | 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-) > > > > * 0a51738ed9 N - Sun, 23 May 1999 09:27:35 +0000 (24 years ago) > > | Correct example. - Ulrich Drepper| > > | linuxthreads/man/pthread_cond_init.man | 5 ++--- > > | 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) > > > > * 5afdca0087 N - Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:42:25 +0000 (25 years ago) > > LinuxThreads library. - Ulrich Drepper > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_atfork.man | 58 +++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_attr_init.man | 221 > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_cancel.man | 155 +++++++++++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_cleanup_push.man | 194 ++++++++++++++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_cond_init.man | 235 > > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_condattr_init.man | 39 ++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_create.man | 46 ++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_detach.man | 44 ++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_equal.man | 23 ++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_exit.man | 32 +++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_join.man | 70 ++++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_key_create.man | 151 +++++++++++++ > > .../man/pthread_kill_other_threads_np.man | 40 ++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutex_init.man | 213 > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_mutexattr_init.man | 84 +++++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_once.man | 34 +++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_self.man | 23 ++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_setschedparam.man | 79 +++++++ > > linuxthreads/man/pthread_sigmask.man | 123 ++++++++++ > > 19 files changed, 1864 insertions(+) > > > > > > > > [2]: > > > > alx@debian:~/src/debian/glibc$ git lg --stat -- > > 'debian/local/manpages/pthread*'; > > * 2c35c554 N - Fri, 29 Nov 2013 11:00:45 +0000 (9 years ago) > > * Remove linuxthreads from the tarball: - rules.d/ > > tarball.mk: don't fetech linuxthreads and linuxthreads_db. - rules.d/ > > build.mk: don't build linuxthreads manpages. - rules: don't run make > > clean in linuxthreads directory. - patches/any/local-sysctl.diff: drop > > the linuxthreads part. - patches/all/local-pthread-manpages.diff: > > remove. - local/manpages/pthread_*.3: import the few remaining > > linuxthreads manpages. - debhelper.in/glibc-doc.manpages: > > update manpage locations. - Aurelien Jarno > > debian/local/manpages/pthread_atfork.3 | 53 +++++++ > > debian/local/manpages/pthread_cond_init.3 | 229 > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > debian/local/manpages/pthread_condattr_init.3 | 38 +++++ > > debian/local/manpages/pthread_key_create.3 | 151 > > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > debian/local/manpages/pthread_mutex_init.3 | 209 > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > debian/local/manpages/pthread_mutexattr_init.3 | 81 +++++++++++ > > debian/local/manpages/pthread_mutexattr_setkind_np.3 | 38 +++++ > > debian/local/manpages/pthread_once.3 | 34 +++++ > > 8 files changed, 833 insertions(+) > > > > -- > > <http://www.alejandro-colomar.es/> > > GPG key fingerprint: A9348594CE31283A826FBDD8D57633D441E25BB5 > >
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