Hi!
On 4/7/23 17:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2023 09:43:19 -0500
>> From: "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: alx.manpages@xxxxxxxxx, dirk@xxxxxxxxxxx, cjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx,
>> linux-man@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, help-texinfo@xxxxxxx, groff@xxxxxxx
>>
>> ...which brings me to the other factor, of which I'm more confident: man
>> page rendering times are much lower than they were in Unix's early days.
>>
>> On my system, all groff man pages but one render in between a tenth and
>> a fortieth of a second. The really huge pages like groff(7),
>> groff_char(7), and groff_diff(7) are toward the upper end of this range,
>> because they are long, at ~20-25 U.S. letter pages when formatted for
>> PostScript or PDF, or have many large tables so the tbl(1) preprocessor
>> produces a lot of output.
>>
>> The outlier is groff_mdoc(7) at just over one-third of a second.
>
> Some people consider 0.1 sec, let alone 0.3 sec, to be long enough to
> be annoying.
>
> Also, did you try with libpng.3 or gcc.1?
$ time man -w gcc | xargs zcat | groff -man -Tutf8 2>/dev/null >/dev/null
real 0m0.406s
user 0m0.534s
sys 0m0.042s
But as others said, I don't really care about the time it takes to format
the entire document, but rather the first 24 lines, which is more like
instantaneous (per your own definition of ~0.5 s).
$ time man -w gcc | xargs zcat | groff -man -Tutf8 2>/dev/null | head -n24 >/dev/null
xargs: zcat: terminated by signal 13
real 0m0.064s
user 0m0.051s
sys 0m0.030s
As a curiosity, mandoc(1) seems to be faster for rendering the entire document, but slower to "start reading".
$ time man -w gcc | xargs zcat | mandoc >/dev/null
real 0m0.270s
user 0m0.218s
sys 0m0.057s
$ time man -w gcc | xargs zcat | mandoc | head -n24 >/dev/null
real 0m0.136s
user 0m0.119s
sys 0m0.023s
As a disclaimer, I do sometimes care about reading entire documents,
but even in that case, it's not so bad. I can read the few thousand man
pages in the Linux man-pages in about a few seconds, or a minute. [1]
>
>> Human subjects need a minimum of about 0.1 second of visual experience
>> or about .01 to .02 second of auditory experience to perceive
>> duration; any shorter experiences are called instantaneous.
>> -- Encyclopædia Britannica[2]
>
> IME, 0.05 sec of visual experiences is closer to reality.
This is the time to load the first 24 lines of almost any page.
gcc(1), which is one of the longest I have, takes 0.6 s. MAX(3),
which is one of the shortest I have, takes 0.4 s.
>
> Anyway, I won't argue.
Cheers,
Alex
[1]: Here's why I do care about time to lead entire pages. I know
I can optimize this pipeline by calling groff(1) directly, or even
better, mandoc(1), now that I know it's faster for entire docs,
but since I haven't used this function for a long time, I didn't
spend time optimizing it.
man_lsfunc()
{
if [ $# -lt 1 ]; then
>&2 echo "Usage: ${FUNCNAME[0]} <manpage|manNdir>...";
return $EX_USAGE;
fi
for arg in "$@"; do
man_section "$arg" 'SYNOPSIS';
done \
|sed_rm_ccomments \
|pcregrep -Mn '(?s)^ [\w ]+ \**\w+\([\w\s(,)[\]*]*?(...)?\s*\); *$' \
|grep '^[0-9]' \
|sed -E 's/syscall\(SYS_(\w*),?/\1(/' \
|sed -E 's/^[^(]+ \**(\w+)\(.*/\1/' \
|uniq;
}
man_section()
{
if [ $# -lt 2 ]; then
>&2 echo "Usage: ${FUNCNAME[0]} <dir> <section>...";
return $EX_USAGE;
fi
local page="$1";
shift;
local sect="$*";
find "$page" -type f \
|xargs wc -l \
|grep -v -e '\b1 ' -e '\btotal\b' \
|awk '{ print $2 }' \
|sort \
|while read -r manpage; do
(sed -n '/^\.TH/,/^\.SH/{/^\.SH/!p}' <"$manpage";
for s in $sect; do
<"$manpage" \
sed -n \
-e "/^\.SH $s/p" \
-e "/^\.SH $s/,/^\.SH/{/^\.SH/!p}";
done;) \
|man -P cat -l - 2>/dev/null;
done;
}
man_lsfunc() is quite slow, but it's acceptable to me, since I only
run it sporadically.
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