On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 4:38 AM Carlos O'Donell <carlos@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 7/30/20 5:16 AM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote: > > I know what you mean. One reason for that verbosity is the need to > > clearly distinguish "pseudoterminal device/end" from "pseudoterminal > > device pair". It's hard to avoid being wordy there. > > The perfect is the enemy of the good. My feeling is that as others > write this text in emails or discussions, we'll eventually all settle > on some other short form we find agreeable and then later we can adjust > the man pages to use that. based on my own brief experience, i'm expecting that _code_ will settle on pty and tty. but if you're reading the man pages to understand the concepts -- which are inherently quite confusing -- i think spelling things out in longhand might remain useful in that context. > Until then taking the lead to change this > language is the correct way forward. yeah, definitely. i'd prefer for michael to go first -- since the bionic documentation is basically just a link to man7.org, and even without that he's the canonical source -- but i'm happy to go first and submit my change first if it helps us make progress :-) > -- > Cheers, > Carlos. >