Hello Eric, My apologies for the delayed reply. On 2/12/20 6:50 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote: > Hi Michael > > connect() man page seems obsolete or confusing : > > Generally, connection-based protocol sockets may successfully > connect() only once; connectionless protocol sockets may use > connect() multiple times to change their association. > Connectionless sockets may dissolve the association by connecting to > an address with the sa_family member of sockaddr set to AF_UNSPEC > (supported on Linux since kernel 2.2). > > > 1) At least TCP has supported AF_UNSPEC thing forever. Thanks for the heads-up, > 2) By definition connectionless sockets do not have an association, > why would they call connect(AF_UNSPEC) to remove a connection > which does not exist ... Calling connect() on a connectionless socket serves two purposes: a) Assigns a default outgoing address for datagrams (sent using write(2)). b) Causes datagrams sent from sources other than the peer address to be discarded. Both of these things are true in AF_UNIX and the Internet domains. Using connect(AF_UNSPEC) allows the local datagram socket to clear this association (without having to connect() to a *different* peer), so that now it can send datagrams to any peer and receive datagrams for any peer, (I've just retested all of this.) > > Maybe we should rewrite this paragraph to match reality, since > this causes confusion. > > > Some protocol sockets may successfully connect() only once. > Some protocol sockets may use connect() multiple times to change > their association. > Some protocol sockets may dissolve the association by connecting to > an address with the sa_family member of sockaddr set to AF_UNSPEC > (supported on Linux since kernel 2.2). When I first saw your note, I was afraid that I had written the offending text. But, I see it has been there since the manual page was first added in 1992 (other than the piece "(supported since on Linux since kernel 2.2)", which I added in 2007). Perhaps it was true in 1992. Anyway, I confirm your statement about TCP sockets. The connect(AF_UNSPEC) thing works; thereafter, the socket may be connected to another socket. Interestingly, connect(AF_UNSPEC) does not seem to work for UNIX domain stream sockets. (My light testing gives an EINVAL error on connect(AF_UNSPEC) of an already connected UNIX stream socket. I could not easily spot where this error was being generated in the kernel though.) I like your proposed text, but would like to include more information. How about this: Some protocol sockets (e.g., UNIX domain stream sockets) may suc‐ cessfully connect() only once. Some protocol sockets (e.g., datagram sockets in the UNIX and Internet domains) may use connect() multiple times to change their association. Some protocol sockets (e.g., TCP sockets as well as datagram sock‐ ets in the UNIX and Internet domains) may dissolve the association by connecting to an address with the sa_family member of sockaddr set to AF_UNSPEC; thereafter, the socket can be connected to another address. (AF_UNSPEC is supported on Linux since kernel 2.2.) ? Thanks, Michael -- Michael Kerrisk Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/