Hello Doug, David, I think you two were the last ones to make significant changes to the semantics of the files in /proc/sys/fs/mqueue, so I wonder if you (or anyone else who is willing) might take a look at the man page text below that I've written (for the mq_overview(7) page) to describe past and current reality, and let me know of improvements of corrections. By the way, Doug, your commit ce2d52cc1364 appears to have changed/broken the semantics of the files in the /dev/mqueue filesystem. Formerly, the QSIZE field in these files showed the number of bytes of real user data in all of the queued messages. After that commit, QSIZE now includes kernel overhead bytes, which does not seem very useful for user space. Was that change intentional? I see no mention of the change in the commit message, so it sounds like it was not intended. Cheers, Michael >From mq_overview(7) draft: /proc interfaces The following interfaces can be used to limit the amount of ker‐ nel memory consumed by POSIX message queues and to set the default attributes for new message queues: /proc/sys/fs/mqueue/msg_default (since Linux 3.5) This file defines the value used for a new queue's mq_maxmsg setting when the queue is created with a call to mq_open(3) where attr is specified as NULL. The default value for this file is 10. The minimum and maximum are as for /proc/sys/fs/mqueue/msg_max. If msg_default exceeds msg_max, a new queue's default mq_maxmsg value is capped to the msg_max limit. Up until Linux 2.6.28, the default mq_maxmsg was 10; from Linux 2.6.28 to Linux 3.4, the default was the value defined for the msg_max limit. /proc/sys/fs/mqueue/msg_max This file can be used to view and change the ceiling value for the maximum number of messages in a queue. This value acts as a ceiling on the attr->mq_maxmsg argument given to mq_open(3). The default value for msg_max is 10. The minimum value is 1 (10 in kernels before 2.6.28). The upper limit is HARD_MSGMAX. The msg_max limit is ignored for privileged processes (CAP_SYS_RESOURCE), but the HARD_MSGMAX ceiling is nevertheless imposed. The definition of HARD_MSGMAX has changed across kernel versions: * Up to Linux 2.6.32: 131072 / sizeof(void *) * Linux 2.6.33 to 3.4: (32768 * sizeof(void *) / 4) * Since Linux 3.5: 65,536 /proc/sys/fs/mqueue/msgsize_default (since Linux 3.5) This file defines the value used for a new queue's mq_msg‐ size setting when the queue is created with a call to mq_open(3) where attr is specified as NULL. The default value for this file is 8192. The minimum and maximum are as for /proc/sys/fs/mqueue/msgsize_max. If msg‐ size_default exceeds msgsize_max, a new queue's default mq_msgsize value is capped to the msgsize_max limit. Up until Linux 2.6.28, the default mq_msgsize was 8192; from Linux 2.6.28 to Linux 3.4, the default was the value defined for the msgsize_max limit. /proc/sys/fs/mqueue/msgsize_max This file can be used to view and change the ceiling on the maximum message size. This value acts as a ceiling on the attr->mq_msgsize argument given to mq_open(3). The default value for msgsize_max is 8192 bytes. The minimum value is 128 (8192 in kernels before 2.6.28). The upper limit for msgsize_max has varied across kernel versions: * Before Linux 2.6.28, the upper limit is INT_MAX. * From Linux 2.6.28 to 3.4, the limit is 1,048,576. * Since Linux 3.5, the limit is 16,777,216 (HARD_MSGSIZE‐ MAX). The msgsize_max limit is ignored for privileged process (CAP_SYS_RESOURCE), but, since Linux 3.5, the HARD_MSG‐ SIZEMAX ceiling is enforced for privileged processes. /proc/sys/fs/mqueue/queues_max This file can be used to view and change the system-wide limit on the number of message queues that can be created. The default value for queues_max is 256. The semantics of this limit have changed across kernel versions as follows: * Before Linux 3.5, this limit could be changed to any value in the range 0 to INT_MAX, but privileged pro‐ cesses (CAP_SYS_RESOURCE) can exceed the limit. * Since Linux 3.5, there is a ceiling for this limit of 1024 (HARD_QUEUESMAX). Privileged processes (CAP_SYS_RESOURCE) can exceed the queues_max limit, but the HARD_QUEUESMAX limit is enforced even for privi‐ leged processes. * Starting with Linux 3.14, the HARD_QUEUESMAX ceiling is removed: no ceiling is imposed on the queues_max limit, and privileged processes (CAP_SYS_RESOURCE) can exceed the limit. -- Michael Kerrisk Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/ -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-man" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html