Re: Kernel stack read with PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT and io_uring threads

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On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 06:59:01PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 01:54:56PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 02:58:12PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

And I think our horrible "kernel threads return to user space when
done" is absolutely horrifically nasty. Maybe of the clever sort, but
mostly of the historical horror sort.

How would you prefer to handle that, then?  Separate magical path from
kernel_execve() to switch to userland?  We used to have something of
that sort, and that had been a real horror...

As it is, it's "kernel thread is spawned at the point similar to
ret_from_fork(), runs the payload (which almost never returns) and
then proceeds out to userland, same way fork(2) would've done."
That way kernel_execve() doesn't have to do anything magical.

Al, digging through the old notes and current call graph...

	There's a large mess around do_exit() - we have a bunch of
callers all over arch/*; if nothing else, I very much doubt that really
want to let tracer play with a thread in the middle of die_if_kernel()
or similar.

We sure as hell do not want to arrange for anything on the kernel
stack in such situations, no matter what's done in exit(2)...

FWIW, on alpha it's die_if_kernel(), do_entUna() and do_page_fault(),
all in not-from-userland cases.  On m68k - die_if_kernel(), do_page_fault()
(both for non-from-userland cases) and something really odd - fpsp040_die().
Exception handling for floating point stuff on 68040?  Looks like it has
an open-coded copy_to_user()/copy_from_user(), with faults doing hard
do_exit(SIGSEGV) instead of raising a signal and trying to do something
sane...

I really don't want to try and figure out how painful would it be to
teach that code how to deal with faults - _testing_ anything in that
area sure as hell will be.  IIRC, details of recovery from FPU exceptions
on 68040 in the manual left impression of a minefield...



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