Re: [PATCH net-next v11 04/23] ovpn: add basic interface creation/destruction/management routines

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On 15.11.2024 16:03, Antonio Quartulli wrote:
On 10/11/2024 21:42, Sergey Ryazanov wrote:
Missed the most essential note regarding this patch :)

On 29.10.2024 12:47, Antonio Quartulli wrote:
+static int ovpn_net_open(struct net_device *dev)
+{
+    netif_tx_start_all_queues(dev);
+    return 0;
+}
+
+static int ovpn_net_stop(struct net_device *dev)
+{
+    netif_tx_stop_all_queues(dev);

Here we stop a user generated traffic in downlink. Shall we take care about other kinds of traffic: keepalive, uplink?

Keepalive is "metadata" and should continue to flow, regardless of whether the user interface is brought down.

Uplink traffic directed to *this* device should just be dropped at delivery time.

Incoming traffic directed to other peers will continue to work.

How it's possible? AFAIU, the module uses the kernel IP routing subsystem. Putting the interface down will effectively block a client-to-client packet to reenter the interface.

I believe we should remove all the peers here or at least stop the keepalive generation. But peers removing is better since administratively down is administratively down, meaning user expected full traffic stop in any direction. And even if we only stop the keepalive generation then peer(s) anyway will destroy the tunnel on their side.

Uhm, I don't think the user expects all "protocol" traffic (and client to client) to stop by simply bringing down the interface.


This way we even should not care about peers removing on the device unregistering. What do you think?

I think you are now mixing data plane and control plane.

The fact that the user is stopping payload traffic does not imply we want to stop the VPN. The user may just be doing something with the interface (and on an MP node client-to-client traffic will still continue to flow).

This would also be a non-negligible (and user faving) change in behaviour compared to the current openvpn implementation.

It's not about previous implementation, it's about the interface management procedures. I just cannot image how the proposed approach can be aligned with RFC 2863 section 3.1.13. IfAdminStatus and IfOperStatus.

And if we are talking about a user experience, I cannot imagine my WLAN interface maintaining a connection to the access point after shutting it down. Or even better, a WLAN interface in the AP mode still forwarding traffic between wireless clients. Or a bridge interface switching traffic between ports and sending STP frames.

Thanks for your input though, I can imagine coming from different angles things may look not the same.

I believe nobody will mind if a userspace service will do a failover to continue serving connected clients. But from the kernel perspective, when user says 'ip link set down' the party is over.

--
Sergey




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