RE:
>> 4.10 has new code which utilizes the TSC_ADJUST MSR.
I just built an unpatched linux v4.10 with tglx's TSC improvements -
much else improved in this kernel (like iwlwifi) - thanks!
I have attached an updated version of the test program which
doesn't print the bogus "Nominal TSC Frequency" (the previous
version printed it, but equally ignored it).
The clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW,&ts) latency has improved by
a factor of 2 - it used to be @140ns and is now @ 70ns ! Wow! :
$ uname -r
4.10.0
$ ./ttsc1
max_extended_leaf: 80000008
has tsc: 1 constant: 1
Invariant TSC is enabled: Actual TSC freq: 2.893299GHz.
ts2 - ts1: 144 ts3 - ts2: 96 ns1: 0.000000588 ns2: 0.000002599
ts3 - ts2: 178 ns1: 0.000000592
ts3 - ts2: 14 ns1: 0.000000577
ts3 - ts2: 14 ns1: 0.000000651
ts3 - ts2: 17 ns1: 0.000000625
ts3 - ts2: 17 ns1: 0.000000677
ts3 - ts2: 17 ns1: 0.000000626
ts3 - ts2: 17 ns1: 0.000000627
ts3 - ts2: 17 ns1: 0.000000627
ts3 - ts2: 18 ns1: 0.000000655
ts3 - ts2: 17 ns1: 0.000000631
t1 - t0: 89067 - ns2: 0.000091411
I think this is because under Linux 4.8, the CPU got a fault every
time it read the TSC_ADJUST MSR.
But user programs wanting to use the TSC and correlate its value to
clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW) values accurately like the above
program still have to dig the TSC frequency value out of the kernel
with objdump - this was really the point of the bug #194609.
I would still like to investigate exporting 'tsc_khz' & 'mult' +
'shift' values via sysfs.
Regards,
Jason.
On 21/02/2017, Jason Vas Dias <jason.vas.dias@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thank You for enlightening me -
>
> I was just having a hard time believing that Intel would ship a chip
> that features a monotonic, fixed frequency timestamp counter
> without specifying in either documentation or on-chip or in ACPI what
> precisely that hard-wired frequency is, but I now know that to
> be the case for the unfortunate i7-4910MQ - I mean, how can the CPU
> assert CPUID:80000007[8] ( InvariantTSC ) which it does, which is
> difficult to reconcile with the statement in the SDM :
> 17.16.4 Invariant Time-Keeping
> The invariant TSC is based on the invariant timekeeping hardware
> (called Always Running Timer or ART), that runs at the core crystal
> clock
> frequency. The ratio defined by CPUID leaf 15H expresses the frequency
> relationship between the ART hardware and TSC. If CPUID.15H:EBX[31:0] !=
> 0
> and CPUID.80000007H:EDX[InvariantTSC] = 1, the following linearity
> relationship holds between TSC and the ART hardware:
> TSC_Value = (ART_Value * CPUID.15H:EBX[31:0] )
> / CPUID.15H:EAX[31:0] + K
> Where 'K' is an offset that can be adjusted by a privileged agent*2.
> When ART hardware is reset, both invariant TSC and K are also reset.
>
> So I'm just trying to figure out what CPUID.15H:EBX[31:0] and
> CPUID.15H:EAX[31:0] are for my hardware. I assumed (incorrectly)
> that
> the "Nominal TSC Frequency" formulae in the manul must apply to all
> CPUs with InvariantTSC .
>
> Do I understand correctly , that since I do have InvariantTSC , the
> TSC_Value is in fact calculated according to the above formula, but with
> a "hidden" ART Value, & Core Crystal Clock frequency & its ratio to
> TSC frequency ?
> It was obvious this nominal TSC Frequency had nothing to do with the
> actual TSC frequency used by Linux, which is 'tsc_khz' .
> I guess wishful thinking led me to believe CPUID:15h was actually
> supported somehow , because I thought InvariantTSC meant it had ART
> hardware .
>
> I do strongly suggest that Linux exports its calibrated TSC Khz
> somewhere to user
> space .
>
> I think the best long-term solution would be to allow programs to
> somehow read the TSC without invoking
> clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW,&ts), &
> having to enter the kernel, which incurs an overhead of > 120ns on my system
> .
>
>
> Couldn't linux export its 'tsc_khz' and / or 'clocksource->mult' and
> 'clocksource->shift' values to /sysfs somehow ?
>
> For instance , only if the 'current_clocksource' is 'tsc', then these
> values could be exported as:
> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/shift
> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/mult
> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/freq
>
> So user-space programs could know that the value returned by
> clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW)
> would be
> { .tv_sec = ( ( rdtsc() * mult ) >> shift ) >> 32,
> , .tv_nsec = ( ( rdtsc() * mult ) >> shift ) >> &~0U
> }
> and that represents ticks of period (1.0 / ( freq * 1000 )) S.
>
> That would save user-space programs from having to know 'tsc_khz' by
> parsing the 'Refined TSC' frequency from log files or by examining the
> running kernel with objdump to obtain this value & figure out 'mult' &
> 'shift' themselves.
>
> And why not a
> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/value
> file that actually prints this ( ( rdtsc() * mult ) >> shift )
> expression as a long integer?
> And perhaps a
> /sys/devices/pnp0/XX\:YY/rtc/rtc0/nanoseconds
> file that actually prints out the number of real-time nano-seconds since
> the
> contents of the existing
> /sys/devices/pnp0/XX\:YY/rtc/rtc0/{time,since_epoch}
> files using the current TSC value?
> To read the rtc0/{date,time} files is already faster than entering the
> kernel to call
> clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ts) & convert to integer for scripts.
>
> I will work on developing a patch to this effect if no-one else is.
>
> Also, am I right in assuming that the maximum granularity of the real-time
> clock
> on my system is 1/64th of a second ? :
> $ cat /sys/devices/pnp0/00\:02/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq
> 64
> This is the maximum granularity that can be stored in CMOS , not
> returned by TSC? Couldn't we have something similar that gave an
> accurate idea of TSC frequency and the precise formula applied to TSC
> value to get clock_gettime
> (CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW) value ?
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
>
> This code does produce good timestamps with a latency of @20ns
> that correlate well with clock_gettIme(CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW,&ts)
> values, but it depends on a global variable that is initialized to
> the 'tsc_khz' value
> computed by running kernel parsed from objdump /proc/kcore output :
>
> static inline __attribute__((always_inline))
> U64_t
> IA64_tsc_now()
> { if(!( _ia64_invariant_tsc_enabled
> ||(( _cpu0id_fd == -1) && IA64_invariant_tsc_is_enabled(NULL,NULL))
> )
> )
> { fprintf(stderr, __FILE__":%d:(%s): must be called with invariant
> TSC enabled.\n");
> return 0;
> }
> U32_t tsc_hi, tsc_lo;
> register UL_t tsc;
> asm volatile
> ( "rdtscp\n\t"
> "mov %%edx, %0\n\t"
> "mov %%eax, %1\n\t"
> "mov %%ecx, %2\n\t"
> : "=m" (tsc_hi) ,
> "=m" (tsc_lo) ,
> "=m" (_ia64_tsc_user_cpu) :
> : "%eax","%ecx","%edx"
> );
> tsc=(((UL_t)tsc_hi) << 32)|((UL_t)tsc_lo);
> return tsc;
> }
>
> __thread
> U64_t _ia64_first_tsc = 0xffffffffffffffffUL;
>
> static inline __attribute__((always_inline))
> U64_t IA64_tsc_ticks_since_start()
> { if(_ia64_first_tsc == 0xffffffffffffffffUL)
> { _ia64_first_tsc = IA64_tsc_now();
> return 0;
> }
> return (IA64_tsc_now() - _ia64_first_tsc) ;
> }
>
> static inline __attribute__((always_inline))
> void
> ia64_tsc_calc_mult_shift
> ( register U32_t *mult,
> register U32_t *shift
> )
> { /* paraphrases Linux clocksource.c's clocks_calc_mult_shift() function:
> * calculates second + nanosecond mult + shift in same way linux does.
> * we want to be compatible with what linux returns in struct
> timespec ts after call to
> * clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW, &ts).
> */
> const U32_t scale=1000U;
> register U32_t from= IA64_tsc_khz();
> register U32_t to = NSEC_PER_SEC / scale;
> register U64_t sec = ( ~0UL / from ) / scale;
> sec = (sec > 600) ? 600 : ((sec > 0) ? sec : 1);
> register U64_t maxsec = sec * scale;
> UL_t tmp;
> U32_t sft, sftacc=32;
> /*
> * Calculate the shift factor which is limiting the conversion
> * range:
> */
> tmp = (maxsec * from) >> 32;
> while (tmp)
> { tmp >>=1;
> sftacc--;
> }
> /*
> * Find the conversion shift/mult pair which has the best
> * accuracy and fits the maxsec conversion range:
> */
> for (sft = 32; sft > 0; sft--)
> { tmp = ((UL_t) to) << sft;
> tmp += from / 2;
> tmp = tmp / from;
> if ((tmp >> sftacc) == 0)
> break;
> }
> *mult = tmp;
> *shift = sft;
> }
>
> __thread
> U32_t _ia64_tsc_mult = ~0U, _ia64_tsc_shift=~0U;
>
> static inline __attribute__((always_inline))
> U64_t IA64_s_ns_since_start()
> { if( ( _ia64_tsc_mult == ~0U ) || ( _ia64_tsc_shift == ~0U ) )
> ia64_tsc_calc_mult_shift( &_ia64_tsc_mult, &_ia64_tsc_shift);
> register U64_t cycles = IA64_tsc_ticks_since_start();
> register U64_t ns = ((cycles *((UL_t)_ia64_tsc_mult))>>_ia64_tsc_shift);
> return( (((ns / NSEC_PER_SEC)&0xffffffffUL) << 32) | ((ns %
> NSEC_PER_SEC)&0x3fffffffUL) );
> /* Yes, we are purposefully ignoring durations of more than 4.2
> billion seconds here! */
> }
>
>
> I think Linux should export the 'tsc_khz', 'mult' and 'shift' values
> somehow,
> then user-space libraries could have more confidence in using 'rdtsc'
> or 'rdtscp'
> if Linux's current_clocksource is 'tsc'.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
>
>
> On 20/02/2017, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Feb 2017, Jason Vas Dias wrote:
>>
>>> CPUID:15H is available in user-space, returning the integers : ( 7,
>>> 832, 832 ) in EAX:EBX:ECX , yet boot_cpu_data.cpuid_level is 13 , so
>>> in detect_art() in tsc.c,
>>
>> By some definition of available. You can feed CPUID random leaf numbers
>> and
>> it will return something, usually the value of the last valid CPUID leaf,
>> which is 13 on your CPU. A similar CPU model has
>>
>> 0x0000000d 0x00: eax=0x00000007 ebx=0x00000340 ecx=0x00000340
>> edx=0x00000000
>>
>> i.e. 7, 832, 832, 0
>>
>> Looks familiar, right?
>>
>> You can verify that with 'cpuid -1 -r' on your machine.
>>
>>> Linux does not think ART is enabled, and does not set the synthesized
>>> CPUID +
>>> ((3*32)+10) bit, so a program looking at /dev/cpu/0/cpuid would not
>>> see this bit set .
>>
>> Rightfully so. This is a Haswell Core model.
>>
>>> if an e1000 NIC card had been installed, PTP would not be available.
>>
>> PTP is independent of the ART kernel feature . ART just provides enhanced
>> PTP features. You are confusing things here.
>>
>> The ART feature as the kernel sees it is a hardware extension which feeds
>> the ART clock to peripherals for timestamping and time correlation
>> purposes. The ratio between ART and TSC is described by CPUID leaf 0x15
>> so
>> the kernel can make use of that correlation, e.g. for enhanced PTP
>> accuracy.
>>
>> It's correct, that the NONSTOP_TSC feature depends on the availability of
>> ART, but that has nothing to do with the feature bit, which solely
>> describes the ratio between TSC and the ART frequency which is exposed to
>> peripherals. That frequency is not necessarily the real ART frequency.
>>
>>> Also, if the MSR TSC_ADJUST has not yet been written, as it seems to be
>>> nowhere else in Linux, the code will always think X86_FEATURE_ART is 0
>>> because the CPU will always get a fault reading the MSR since it has
>>> never been written.
>>
>> Huch? If an access to the TSC ADJUST MSR faults, then something is really
>> wrong. And writing it unconditionally to 0 is not going to happen. 4.10
>> has
>> new code which utilizes the TSC_ADJUST MSR.
>>
>>> It would be nice for user-space programs that want to use the TSC with
>>> rdtsc / rdtscp instructions, such as the demo program attached to the
>>> bug report,
>>> could have confidence that Linux is actually generating the results of
>>> clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW, ×pec)
>>> in a predictable way from the TSC by looking at the
>>> /dev/cpu/0/cpuid[bit(((3*32)+10)] value before enabling user-space
>>> use of TSC values, so that they can correlate TSC values with linux
>>> clock_gettime() values.
>>
>> What has ART to do with correct CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW values?
>>
>> Nothing at all, really.
>>
>> The kernel makes use of the proper information values already.
>>
>> The TSC frequency is determined from:
>>
>> 1) CPUID(0x16) if available
>> 2) MSRs if available
>> 3) By calibration against a known clock
>>
>> If the kernel uses TSC as clocksource then the CLOCK_MONOTONIC_* values
>> are
>> correct whether that machine has ART exposed to peripherals or not.
>>
>>> has tsc: 1 constant: 1
>>> 832 / 7 = 118 : 832 - 9.888914286E+04hz : OK:1
>>
>> And that voodoo math tells us what? That you found a way to correlate
>> CPUID(0xd) to the TSC frequency on that machine.
>>
>> Now I'm curious how you do that on this other machine which returns for
>> cpuid(15): 1, 1, 1
>>
>> You can't because all of this is completely wrong.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> tglx
>>
>
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