On Mon, Sep 06, 2021 at 02:08:58PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:14 PM Jakub Jelinek <jakub@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > the only guaranteed APIs are
> > those provided by the headers (x86intrin.h/*mmintrin.h etc. on x86,
> > arm_{neon,sve}.h etc. on arm*, ...)
>
> You guys realize we don't use those, do you?
Linux does use the Arm and Power vector intrinsics (arm_neon.h and
altivec.h).
> And you don't seem to realize that you are actively arguing *AGAINST*
> what you think you argue for.
I have no idea what you think we are arguing for, only what we are.
> That "immintrin.h" file, for example, is simply not usable for the
> kernel. I just checked.
Yes. It cannot be used in freestanding environments; it includes a
header file we don't ship (<mm_malloc.h>, via <xmmintrin.h>). Or
perhaps we do ship it, but only on native systems? Same issue, anyway.
The top comment in the latter says
/* Implemented from the specification included in the Intel C++ Compiler
User Guide and Reference, version 9.0. */
so the shortcoming exists there already probably?
> 27 | #include <stdlib.h>
> | ^~~~~~~~~~
>
> Oops.
Yup, that is not a (freestanding) standard C header.
> Very similar things happens if you try to use that <stdint.h> file
> that somebody mentioned earlier.
Not at all. <stdint.h> *is* a standard C header, and we ship it, it
always works. If you find problems with it, please report them!
> You also don't seem to realize how hard it is to separate out the
> user-land crap that we really cannot use, and must not use.
We have worked very hard for many years to make this better. For the
freestanding headers only <limits.h> is still problematic, and you do
not need that one anyway, it is legacy more than anything else.
Segher
