On Mon, 2024-09-30 at 10:09 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote: > On Fri, 2024-09-27 at 10:15 -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > > On Fri, 2024-09-27 at 15:53 +0200, Roberto Sassu wrote: > > > On Fri, 2024-09-06 at 14:32 +0200, Roberto Sassu wrote: > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > when running the benchmark on my new component, the Integrity > > > > Digest Cache, I ran into a serious performance issue. > > > > > > > > The benchmark is extending a TPM PCR with 12313 entries of the > > > > IMA measurement list, and calculating the time elapsed for the > > > > operation. > > > > > > > > Without TPM HMAC: 102.8 seconds > > > > > > > > With TPM HMAC: 1941.71 seconds > > > > > > Jarkko patch set [1] improved the performance: > > > > > > 404.4 seconds > > > > > > > > > Still quite slow. > > > > So this is now the internal TPM overhead. There's not much we can > > do in the kernel to optimize that. Your own figures were > > > > > No HMAC: > > > > > > # tracer: function_graph > > > # > > > # CPU DURATION FUNCTION CALLS > > > # | | | | | | | > > > 0) | tpm2_pcr_extend() { > > > 0) 1.112 us | tpm_buf_append_hmac_session(); > > > 0) # 6360.029 us | tpm_transmit_cmd(); > > > 0) # 6415.012 us | } > > > > > > > > > HMAC: > > > > > > # tracer: function_graph > > > # > > > # CPU DURATION FUNCTION CALLS > > > # | | | | | | | > > > 1) | tpm2_pcr_extend() { > > > 1) | tpm2_start_auth_session() { > > > 1) * 36976.99 us | tpm_transmit_cmd(); > > > 1) * 84746.51 us | tpm_transmit_cmd(); > > > 1) # 3195.083 us | tpm_transmit_cmd(); > > > 1) @ 126795.1 us | } > > > 1) 2.254 us | tpm_buf_append_hmac_session(); > > > 1) 3.546 us | tpm_buf_fill_hmac_session(); > > > 1) * 24356.46 us | tpm_transmit_cmd(); > > > 1) 3.496 us | tpm_buf_check_hmac_response(); > > > 1) @ 151171.0 us | } > > > > or 6ms for no session extend vs 24ms for with session extend, so > > effectively 4x slower, which is exactly what the above figures are > > also showing. > > > > > We should consider not only the boot performance. > > > Depending on the use case, IMA can be used after boot and slow > > > down applications performance. > > > > Right, but this is IMA fish or cut bait time: are you willing to > > pay a 4x penalty for improved security, bearing in mind that not > > all TPMs will show the 4x slow down, since some have much better > > optimized crypto routines. If yes, we can simply keep the no flush > > optimization. If no, we'd have to turn off security for IMA extends > > Another way of looking at it is that the performance for existing > TPMs is unacceptable with CONFIG_TCG_TPM2_HMAC configured at least > for the builtin "ima_policy=tcb" policy, replaced with a similar > custom policy. Without Jarkko's patch set it takes ~10 minutes to > boot. With Jarkko's patch set it takes ~3 minutes. So that's the question: is 3 minutes acceptable? > Saying it will work with newer, faster TPMs isn't a viable solution > for distros. Either the Kconfig is turned on or not for all systems. > > Is the reason for the performance degradation due to the HMAC or > encryption? It's the HMAC. There's no security sensitive information in an extend so no reason to do encrypt/decrypt as well. > If the performance degradation is due to the HMAC, then the last > line should be: > "Saying Y here adds some overhead to all kernel to TPM transactions". > > config TCG_TPM2_HMAC > bool "Use HMAC and encrypted transactions on the TPM bus" > default X86_64 > select CRYPTO_ECDH > select CRYPTO_LIB_AESCFB > select CRYPTO_LIB_SHA256 > help > Setting this causes us to deploy a scheme which uses > request > and response HMACs in addition to encryption for > communicating with the TPM to prevent or detect bus > snooping > and interposer attacks (see tpm-security.rst). Saying Y > here adds some encryption overhead to all kernel to TPM > transactions. > > I'm not quite sure what you mean by "If no, we'd have to turn off > security for IMA extends." Are you leaving it enabled for all other > TPM communication, Since IMA is the only current user of tpm2_pcr_extend() that's an option, yes. This would mean an interposer could intercept and either discard or modify an extend without being detected. > just disabling it for IMA or disabling it entirely based on whether > IMA is configured? Since tpm2_pcr_extend() is unused if IMA is disabled, we don't really need to condition on it, we could just remove the HMAC from extends. James