[Cc'ing Jarkko, Petr Vorel] Hi Paul, On Sat, 2022-02-19 at 10:44 +0100, Paul Menzel wrote: > Dear Linux folks, > > > Debian builds its Linux kernel image with `CONFIG_IMA=y` since version > 5.13.9 [1]. Unfortunately, on the Dell Latitude E7250 `init_ima` takes > around 33 ms, adding 8 % to the boot time up to loading the initrd. > > [ 0.000000] Linux version 5.17.0-rc4-amd64 > (debian-kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) (gcc-11 (Debian 11.2.0-16) 11.2.0, GNU > ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.38) #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 5.17~rc4-1~exp1 > (2022-02-18) > […] > [ 0.238520] calling init_tis+0x0/0xde @ 1 > [ 0.254749] tpm_tis 00:08: 1.2 TPM (device-id 0x3205, rev-id 80) > [ 0.285665] initcall init_tis+0x0/0xde returned 0 after 46038 usecs > […] > [ 0.301327] calling init_ima+0x0/0xb5 @ 1 > [ 0.301332] ima: Allocated hash algorithm: sha256 > [ 0.335502] ima: No architecture policies found > [ 0.335520] initcall init_ima+0x0/0xb5 returned 0 after 33389 usecs > […] > [ 0.447312] Run /init as init process > > Tracing `init_ima` with a depth of 5 shows > `ima_calc_boot_aggregate_tfm()` takes 24 ms, and > `ima_add_template_entry()` takes 10 ms. > > 1.282630 | 1) swapper-1 | | > ima_add_boot_aggregate() { > 1.282631 | 1) swapper-1 | | > ima_calc_boot_agg:0regate() { > 1.282631 | 1) swapper-1 | 0.153 us | > ima_alloc_tfm(); > 1.282631 | 1) swapper-1 | * 24404.59 us | > ima_calc_boot_aggregate_tfm(); > 1.307037 | 1) swapper-1 | 0.482 us | > ima_free_tfm.part.0(); > 1.307038 | 1) swapper-1 | * 24407.06 us | } /* > ima_calc_boot_aggregate */ > 1.307038 | 1) swapper-1 | | > ima_alloc_init_template() { > 1.307038 | 1) swapper-1 | 0.173 us | > ima_template_desc_current(); > 1.307039 | 1) swapper-1 | 0.836 us | > __kmalloc(); > 1.307040 | 1) swapper-1 | 0.580 us | > __kmalloc(); > 1.307041 | 1) swapper-1 | 1.555 us | > ima_eventdigest_ng_init(); > 1.307043 | 1) swapper-1 | 1.275 us | > ima_eventname_ng_init(); > 1.307044 | 1) swapper-1 | 0.256 us | > ima_eventsig_init(); > 1.307045 | 1) swapper-1 | 6.618 us | } /* > ima_alloc_init_template */ > 1.307045 | 1) swapper-1 | | > ima_store_template() { > 1.307045 | 1) swapper-1 | 5.049 us | > ima_calc_field_array_hash(); > 1.307051 | 1) swapper-1 | # 9316.953 us | > ima_add_template_entry(); > 1.316369 | 1) swapper-1 | # 9323.728 us | } /* > ima_store_template */ > 1.316369 | 1) swapper-1 | * 33738.54 us | } /* > ima_add_boot_aggregate */ > > Tracing `ima_calc_boot_aggregate_tfm()` (attached) shows that the first > `tpm1_pcr_read()` takes 16 ms in `tpm_transmit()`. Is communicating with > the TPM supposed to be that slow? > > In the last years, Linux decreased it’s boot time a lot, so do you see a > way to move things out of the hot path and get `init_ima` well below 10 > ms? (As systems get faster and faster, having systems with standard > distributions to be up below two seconds after pressing the power button > should be a reasonable goal (500 ms firmware (like coreboot) + 500 ms > Linux kernel + 1 s user space). > > > [1]: > https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/commit/6e679322d7d98d30b4a8a3d1b659c899a6e9d4df Thank you including the initial and other TPM delays. The main reason for the "boot_aggregate" is to tie the pre-OS measurements to the post OS measurement list. Without the TPM based 'boot_aggregate', any IMA measurement list could be used to verify a TPM quote. The 'boot_aggregate' is calculated, originally, based on PCRs 0 - 7 and more recently may include PCRs 8 & 9 as well. The 'boot_aggregate' is the first record in the IMA measurement list and the first record after a soft reboot (kexec). It is the one and only IMA measurement record not dependent on policy. There are TPM 1.2 & 2.0 standards' requirements, but there are also buggy TPMs which don't adhere to them to such an extent that IMA goes into 'TPM-bypass' mode. Perhaps for those not interested in extending the concepts of trusted boot to the running OS, defining a new boot command line option to force IMA into this 'TPM-bypass' mode would be an acceptable alternative to the delay. The IMA measurement list would still include a 'boot_aggregate' record, but one containing 0's. thanks, Mimi