Em Mon, 3 Apr 2017 09:49:03 -0300 Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu: > Em Mon, 3 Apr 2017 14:43:07 +1000 > Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@xxxxxxxxx> escreveu: > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 02:28:27PM +0200, Benjamin Tissoires wrote: > > > On Mar 31 2017 or thereabouts, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > > Em Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:03:08 +0200 > > > > Benjamin Tissoires <benjamin.tissoires@xxxxxxxxxx> escreveu: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 27 2017 or thereabouts, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > > > > Em Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:38:45 +1000 > > > > > > Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@xxxxxxxxx> escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 01:02:10PM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > > > > > > Em Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:36:18 -0300 > > > > > > > > Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:57:00 -0300 > > > > > > > > > Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:22:20 +1000 > > > > > > > > > > Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@xxxxxxxxx> escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 02:29:00PM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Em Thu, 23 Mar 2017 11:59:56 +0100 > > > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin Tissoires <benjamin.tissoires@xxxxxxxxxx> escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards to ratchet, it probably makes sense to query its state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when the driver starts, as IMHO, it should work on a way similar to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CAPS LOCK>. Btw, are there any event already defined for ratchet mode? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is not. And that's where the problem goes a little bit beyond just > > > > > > > > > > > > > enabling the feature, we need to forward this info to userspace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be some EV_SWITCH SW_RATCHET created IMO. The ratchet has > > > > > > > > > > > > > a state, and we should be able to forward this state with such a new > > > > > > > > > > > > > event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing I am more worried is how can we report the high-res wheel > > > > > > > > > > > > > events. I know Peter has a DB of wheel resolution, but in that case, we > > > > > > > > > > > > > can switch to high-res or not, so a static hwdb entry won't help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. In the case of high-res, there are actually two ways for those > > > > > > > > > > > > events to arrive: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In HID mode, it produces standard EV_REL / REL_WHEEL events, but there > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't any events reporting if the mode changed, nor the event with > > > > > > > > > > > > gets wheel axes movement tell if the mouse is in low or high res. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in HID mode, identifying if the wheel is in low or high res > > > > > > > > > > > > is not direct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the device is in HID+ mode, the resolution mode comes together with > > > > > > > > > > > > axes changes. So, it should be possible to define a different event > > > > > > > > > > > > for high-res wheel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E. g. if the event reports high-res, it would be generating: > > > > > > > > > > > > EV_REL / REL_HI_RES_WHEEL. If the packet arrives with low-res, > > > > > > > > > > > > it will keep generating EV_REL / REL_WHEEL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This way, Peter's code (libinput, I guess?) could handle it without > > > > > > > > > > > > requiring any DB for the devices that allow switching the mode. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sort-of. The main problem with relative axes is that we don't have a > > > > > > > > > > > resolution info. The reason we have a hwdb for wheels is that libinput > > > > > > > > > > > converts kernel data to physical dimensions so that callers can use the data > > > > > > > > > > > in a reliable manner. Switching to a hi-res-wheel just moves the problem > > > > > > > > > > > around a bit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using ABS events simply gives us the resolution in the inital description. > > > > > > > > > > > That's (I suspect) the only reason Benjamin suggested it. This isn't the > > > > > > > > > > > first time it has come up, it would be interesting to add something like > > > > > > > > > > > EVIOCGREL as equivalent to EVIOCGABS and start augmenting rel data with > > > > > > > > > > > resolution. But I also suspect that all but this use-case would have the > > > > > > > > > > > kernel return a digital shrug anyway, so I'm not sure it's worth the effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see. Well, at least in the case of the feature supported by this > > > > > > > > > > mouse, there are just two possible resolutions: low-res and high-res. > > > > > > > > > > The high-res resolution is fixed[1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As the multiplier has a fixed value per device, a hwdb could still > > > > > > > > > > work, provided that high-res wheel events would produce a different > > > > > > > > > > event code than low-res. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] there's a USB message that can be used to query the multiplier, > > > > > > > > > > with is always equal to 8 for MX Anywhere 2. No idea if other > > > > > > > > > > devices with this feature use the same multiplier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's not assume that and plan ahead, because sooner or later this will be > > > > > > > configurable in some device. Probably before we get the first kernel out > > > > > > > with this patchset in. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it sounds likely that newer devices may allow to set it. > > > > > > > > > > > > But the actual question here is: how userspace would handle it? > > > > > > > > > > > > When the device is in ratchet mode (e. g. in "discrete" mode), the number > > > > > > of events received for a single ratchet position movement should be multiple > > > > > > of the high-res multiplier. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, MX Anywhere 2 has a fixed resolution (HID++ feature > > > > > > reports multiplier == 8). > > > > > > > > > > > > On this device, moving the wheel down just one ratchet position, > > > > > > in low-res mode it produces just one event: > > > > > > > > > > > > URBs: > > > > > > >>> 11 03 0b 00 01 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > > > > > > > > > events: > > > > > > 1490616222.091664: event type EV_REL(0x02): REL_WHEEL (0x0008) value=-1 > > > > > > 1490616222.091664: event type EV_SYN(0x00). > > > > > > > > > > > > in high-resolution mode, the same movement produces 8 events: > > > > > > > > > > > > URBs: > > > > > > >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > > > >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > > > >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > > > >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > > > >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > > > >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > > > >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > > > >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if in that case, the driver shouldn't convert those into a > > > > > single REL_WHEEL. The driver knows the state of the ratchet and can > > > > > detect such situation (and also match if the multiplier is user > > > > > configurable). > > > > > > > > IMHO, it shouldn't. While you have the finger at the wheel, you > > > > can control the speed of the movement. You can also decide you > > > > don't want to scroll and return to the previous position, like > > > > on this movement (here, I moved the wheel down, slowly, then > > > > I returned it back to the original position, on a fast move): > > > > > > > > 000033934 ms 000734 ms (783955 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000034718 ms 000784 ms (119937 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000034838 ms 000120 ms (075936 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000034914 ms 000076 ms (097951 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000035012 ms 000098 ms (071950 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000035084 ms 000072 ms (143879 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000035228 ms 000144 ms (312011 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 ff ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000035540 ms 000312 ms (2213961 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000037754 ms 002214 ms (075957 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000037830 ms 000076 ms (031940 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000037862 ms 000032 ms (015955 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000037878 ms 000016 ms (023917 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000037902 ms 000024 ms (023955 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > 000037926 ms 000024 ms (029959 us EP=83, Dev=08) >>> 11 03 0b 00 11 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > > > > > > > If I was scrolling a screen that would allow scrolling on less than a > > > > line, I would expect the screen to follow the speed of my finger. > > > > > > Alright. > > > > > > > > OTOH, if the highres wheel has the correct settings in the hwdb, there > > > > > is no reasons for libinput to not handle the 8 highres events equal one > > > > > line given that it already converts the incoming events into physical > > > > > dimensions. > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > I *think* this should be possible with the current libinput, without even > > exposing more API. libinput provides a scroll delta for wheels in degrees > > and a 'discrete' value, it would be fairly trivial to hook up the highres to > > the degrees only and use the discrete as cumulative. So you'd get a sequence > > like this: > > scroll event (deg 2, discrete 0) > > scroll event (deg 2, discrete 0) > > scroll event (deg 2, discrete 0) > > scroll event (deg 2, discrete 1) > > > > a client that supports this, and I think current clients should basically > > already support this can pick between normal and hires, without extra code. > > what the impact of this is, I don't quite know yet. > > Hmm... if I understood well, the idea would be to use something > similar to udev's MOUSE_WHEEL_CLICK_ANGLE, like[1]: > > mouse:usb:v046dp404a:name:Logitech Anywhere Mouse MX 2: > mouse:usb:v046dpc52b:name:Logitech Unifying Device. Wireless PID:404a: > MOUSE_WHEEL_CLICK_ANGLE=16 > > [1] I measured the real wheel angle here. In low-resolution, there are 18 > steps at the wheel (in ratchet mode), meaning 20 degrees. It means that, > in high-resolution, where multiplier = 8, the minimum angle to produce an > event would be 2.5 degrees. > > And add a code at libinput similar to this [2]: > > diff --git a/src/evdev.c b/src/evdev.c > index 2a57b25835fe..b5198ca6154d 100644 > --- a/src/evdev.c > +++ b/src/evdev.c > @@ -1023,6 +1023,24 @@ fallback_process_relative(struct fallback_dispatch *dispatch, > &wheel_degrees, > &discrete); > break; > + case REL_HIRES_WHEEL: > + fallback_flush_pending_event(dispatch, device, time); > + wheel_degrees.y = -1 * e->value * > + device->scroll.wheel_click_angle.x / 8; > + discrete.y = -1 * e->value; > + > + source = device->scroll.is_tilt.vertical ? > + LIBINPUT_POINTER_AXIS_SOURCE_WHEEL_TILT: > + LIBINPUT_POINTER_AXIS_SOURCE_WHEEL; > + > + evdev_notify_axis( > + device, > + time, > + AS_MASK(LIBINPUT_POINTER_AXIS_SCROLL_VERTICAL), > + source, > + &wheel_degrees, > + &discrete); > + break; > case REL_HWHEEL: > fallback_flush_pending_event(dispatch, device, time); > wheel_degrees.x = e->value * > > [2] I hardcoded there a multiply of 8, e. g. I'm doing: > > wheel_degrees.y = -1 * e->value * > device->scroll.wheel_click_angle.x / 8; > > Just to as a quick test code, but, ideally, the multiplier should either > be obtained via some ioctl or come from some udev property, e. g. either > a MOUSE_WHEEL_MULTIPLIER or a MOUSE_WHEEL_HIRES_CLICK_ANGLE property. > > I'll do some tests here with the above code, and see if it does what's > expected. I modified the Fedora 25 libinput.spec, adding the above patch (actually, a modified version of the above, as Fedora uses libinput-1.6.3). This is with low-resolution wheel events (tools/event-debug): event4 POINTER_AXIS +0.75s vert 15.00* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +0.82s vert 15.00* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +0.91s vert 15.00* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +0.99s vert 15.00* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +1.08s vert 15.00* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +1.21s vert 15.00* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +1.62s vert 15.00* horiz 0.00 (wheel) And this is with high-resolution events: event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.56s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.57s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.59s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.60s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.63s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.65s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.68s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.71s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.78s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.82s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.88s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) event4 POINTER_AXIS +63.95s vert 1.88* horiz 0.00 (wheel) I confirmed with ./tools/event-gui that the same angular movement produced the same results at the GUI window. So, it seems that the above code works. Yet, scrolling random apps (tested with Firefox, claws-mail, kate) produced a movement 8 times faster. I tested on both X11 and Wayland. So, I suspect that applications should be modified too, in order for them to consider the scroll angle. Thanks, Mauro -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-input" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
