On 8.10.2022 00:41, Damien Le Moal wrote:
On 10/7/22 23:14, Maciej S. Szmigiero wrote:
On 7.10.2022 00:53, Damien Le Moal wrote:
On 10/7/22 07:20, Damien Le Moal wrote:
On 10/6/22 22:06, Maciej S. Szmigiero wrote:
On 6.10.2022 01:38, Damien Le Moal wrote:
On 9/27/22 04:51, Maciej S. Szmigiero wrote:
From: "Maciej S. Szmigiero" <maciej.szmigiero@xxxxxxxxxx>
Currently, if one wants to make use of FUA support in libata it is
necessary to provide an explicit kernel command line parameter in order to
enable it (for drives that report such support).
In terms of Git archaeology: FUA support was enabled by default in early
libata versions but was disabled soon after.
Since then there were a few attempts to enable this support by default:
[1] (for NCQ drives only), [2] (for all drives).
However, the second change had to be reverted after a report came of
an incompatibility with the HDD in 2011 Mac Mini.
Enabling FUA avoids having to emulate it by issuing an extra drive cache
flush for every request that have this flag set.
Since FUA support is required by the ATA/ATAPI spec for any drive that
supports LBA48 and so these days should be pretty widespread let's provide
an ability to enable it by default in Kconfig.
This can be done by adding "libata.fua=1" to the CONFIG_CMDLINE option. So
I do not see the need to add yet another config option.
A specific Kconfig option is more structured than a free-form
CONFIG_CMDLINE (which is also technically a per-arch option, but seems
to be widely supported across arches).
That's why there is a lot (100+) of similar Kconfig default-changing
options, a quick sample of these (in no particular order):
SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM, SND_INTEL_BYT_PREFER_SOF, LSM,
SECURITY_SELINUX_CHECKREQPROT_VALUE, SECURITY_LOADPIN_ENFORCE,
SECURITY_APPARMOR_DEBUG_MESSAGES, IP_VS_TAB_BITS, IP_SET_MAX,
MAC80211_HAS_RC, SLUB_DEBUG_ON, KFENCE_SAMPLE_INTERVAL, PRINTK_TIME,
DEBUG_OBJECTS_ENABLE_DEFAULT, RCU_NOCB_CPU_DEFAULT_ALL, ...
libata currently has only one similar option: SATA_MOBILE_LPM_POLICY,
so it's not like a person performing kernel configuration is
overloaded with questions here.
But at the same time, I respect your decision as a maintainer of
this code.
I am not dead set on pushing back on this, but as usual, whenever we can
avoid adding config options, we should. Given that libata has had fua
disabled forever, I am not convinced yet that there is a strong need for
that new option. But if distros prefer the config option approach, we can
make that happen.
If anything, I would be tempted to switch fua support to on by default
after some time if we do not get many reports of broken drives. You did
mention that old mac minis drives did not like it, but these are not even
blacklisted in libata-scsi. They should. Only one model of maxtor drives
is. We should add an ATA_HORKAGE_NO_FUA flag and start a proper blacklist
of drives not liking fua. Without that in place, switching to on by
default as your config option allows could break many (old) systems.
To be extra clear, I think that this fua module parameter is silly. If a
drive says it supports fua, we should use it and not have a global
parameter to disable it for all drives. So no config option needed for it.
That is also why I am not keen on taking that config option. It is not
really improving anything at all and would prefer nuking the fua module
argument and have a proper blacklisting of buggy drives.
But such a change is painful as we'll be able to update the blacklist with
users getting corrupted FSes on buggy drives. The time may have come to do
this change though as the number of buggy drives out there is hopefully
small enough now.
So your proposal is basically to switch the existing fua option default
to "on" and deal with the fallout (hopefully minimal) by blacklisting
misbehaving drives as they get reported, right?
Yes. The risk though is that if the fallout are not minimal and we get too
many bug reports, we'll likely have to revert. So this needs to be
attempted early at the beginning of a cycle to get plenty of testing.
In this case, my vote would be to still keep the "libata.fua" parameter
available (at least for the time being) so people have some way of
working broken drives around without having to recompile their kernel
(maybe also print a kernel log message if libata.fua=0 is provided asking
people to report these drive models to linux-ide@).
If we add a proper "nofua" horkage flag to blacklist buggy drives, we need
to move the fua parameter to be an argument of the force parameter so that
disabling fua can be done per drive (port) or for all drives, similarly to
other tweak (noncq, nodmalog, etc)
So would you like an updated patch set or do you prefer to do the changes
yourself?
Thanks,
Maciej
