On 11/26/2012 01:03 PM, James Bottomley wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 01:33 +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: >> On Monday, November 19, 2012 03:06:51 PM James Bottomley wrote: >>>> I really think we need a way for (auto)pm and event polling to talk to >>>> each other so that autopm can tell event poll to sod off while pm is >>>> in effect. Trying to solve this from inside libata doesn't seem >>>> right. The problem, again, seems to be figuring out which hardware >>>> device maps to which block device. Hmmm... Any good ideas? >>> >>> I've asked the PM people several times about this, because it's a real >>> problem for almost everything: PM needs some type of top to bottom >>> stack view, which the layering isolation we have within storage really >>> doesn't cope with well. No real suggestion has been forthcoming. >> >> Actually, I think that the particular case in question is really special >> and the fact that there's the pollig loop that user space is involved in >> doesn't make things more stratightforward. >> >> And PM really doesn't need to see things top to bottom, but the polling >> needs to know what happens in the PM land. We need to be able to tell it >> "from now on tell user space that there are no events here". The question >> is where to put that information so that it's accessible to all parts of the >> stack involved. > > Right, open to suggestions ... > >>> The reason I think it should be emulated (in the acpi layer, not libata, >>> but as long as it's not in SCSI, I'm not so fussed where it ends up) is >>> because ZPODD is the software equivalent of ZPREADY, which will be done >>> in hardware and will be effectively invisible to autopm in the same way >>> that SCSI (and ATA) power management is mostly invisible. If we >>> currently do ZPREADY emulation in the low layer (i.e. ZPODD has exact >>> ZPREADY emulation), we won't care (except for flipping the sofware bit) >>> whether the device support ZPODD or ZPREADY and it will all just >>> work(tm). The industry expectation is that ZPODD is just a transition >>> state between current power management and ZPREADY. >> >> Well, if you poll a ZPREADY-capable drive, it will go off and on in cycles >> transparently, but still it won't save as much energy as it can. We'll need >> to do something about the polling in that case too, it seems. > > No: with ZPREADY, the device effectively lies to the poll. The Spec > says that when it powers off the mechanical pieces, it must reply from > firmware to a certain preset emulations of SCSI commands and not wake > from power off. These commands include TEST UNIT READY and a few > others, so the device will happily reply to polls while being off (it > replies with the original state before power was lost). When you issue > actual medium access commands, or manually insert or remove media it > will wake up. > > That's why I think ZPODD should emulate this behaviour. I suppose you are refering to section 15.3.5? I don't think the SPEC says what the host software _must_ do, it's informative. And I agree that when possible, we should emulate the command without powering up the ODD, but if we can eliminate the noise, wouldn't that be better? -Aaron > > James > > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ide" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
