On Sun, 18 Nov 2012, Tejun Heo wrote: > > Does it really take 10 seconds to recover from an ATA suspend? That > > sounds awfully long. > > If it's using the same ->suspend ops as the regular system suspend, > 10secs isn't a crazy number. If the controller goes offline, the PHY > would go offline too and the only way to come back from that is > performing full probing sequence. From SATA procotol POV, it isn't > too bad. It's just link initiazliation followed by IDENTIFY and some > config commands. > > The problem is that SATA devices aren't really designed to be used > like that. If you reset a ODD w/ a media in it, it'll probably spin > it up and try to re-establish media state during probe sequence. It > isn't designed that way and has never been used like that. SATA has > its own dynamic link power management (DIPM/HIPM) tho. Is it possible to use those to implement runtime suspend? Or are they handled autonomously by the hardware? > So, this whole autopm thing doesn't sound like a good idea to me. No doubt it's better suited to some devices than to others. > > Hence there's a tradeoff. How can we use the minimum amount of energy > > while still polling the drive acceptably often? In general, the kernel > > doesn't know. That's why these things can be controlled from > > userspace. And the answer may be different for ATA drives vs. > > USB-connected drives. > > > > Does this answer your questions? > > I think the only reason autopm doesn't blow up for SATA devices is > that userland usually automatically mounts them thus effectively > disabling autopm. Either that or else because it hasn't been fully implemented yet. :-) > I *think* the only sane thing we can do is doing > autopm iff zpodd is available && no media. That may be true for SATA. For USB optical drives, it does make sense to power-down the host controller when the drive isn't in use. USB suspend/resume takes on the order of 50-100 ms or so. Alan Stern -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ide" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
