Re: [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to,from}_user helpers
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- To: Al Viro <viro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to,from}_user helpers
- From: Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 05:56:18 +1000
- Cc: Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@xxxxxxxxxx>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@xxxxxxxxxx>, "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@xxxxxxxx>, David Howells <dhowells@xxxxxxxxxx>, Shuah Khan <shuah@xxxxxxxxxx>, Shuah Khan <skhan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@xxxxxxxxxx>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Christian Brauner <christian@xxxxxxxxxx>, Rasmus Villemoes <linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@xxxxxxxxxx>, Andrew Morton <akpm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@xxxxxxxxxx>, Kees Cook <keescook@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Jann Horn <jannh@xxxxxxxxxx>, Tycho Andersen <tycho@xxxxxxxx>, David Drysdale <drysdale@xxxxxxxxxx>, Chanho Min <chanho.min@xxxxxxx>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@xxxxxxxxxx>, Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@xxxxxxxxxx>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@xxxxxxxxxx>, Aleksa Sarai <asarai@xxxxxxx>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, containers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-alpha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-api@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-arch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-arm-kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-fsdevel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-ia64@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-kselftest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-m68k@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-mips@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-parisc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linuxppc-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-s390@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-sh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-xtensa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, sparclinux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On 2019-09-05, Al Viro <viro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 05, 2019 at 08:23:03PM +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
>
> > Because every caller of that function right now has that limit set
> > anyway iirc. So we can either remove it from here and place it back for
> > the individual callers or leave it in the helper.
> > Also, I'm really asking, why not? Is it unreasonable to have an upper
> > bound on the size (for a long time probably) or are you disagreeing with
> > PAGE_SIZE being used? PAGE_SIZE limit is currently used by sched, perf,
> > bpf, and clone3 and in a few other places.
>
> For a primitive that can be safely used with any size (OK, any within
> the usual 2Gb limit)? Why push the random policy into the place where
> it doesn't belong?
>
> Seriously, what's the point? If they want to have a large chunk of
> userland memory zeroed or checked for non-zeroes - why would that
> be a problem?
Thinking about it some more, there isn't really any r/w amplification --
so there isn't much to gain by passing giant structs. Though, if we are
going to permit 2GB buffers, isn't that also an argument to use
memchr_inv()? :P
--
Aleksa Sarai
Senior Software Engineer (Containers)
SUSE Linux GmbH
<https://www.cyphar.com/>
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