On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:02 AM, David Howells <dhowells@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Whilst that does seem reasonable, what about all the other software that > iterates over a directory? Some of that is surely not going to know about > DT_WHT. So? Remeber: whiteout entries do not exist "normally". No normal apps should care or see them, since the whole and only point of them is when they are part of a union mount (in which case they are not visible). So the "how do you see whiteouts" is really only about the raw filesystem mount when *not* in the normal place. IOW, it's not like these guys are going to show up in users home directories etc. It's more like a special device node than a file - we need to care about some basic system management interfaces, not about "random apps". So "coreutils" is the primary user, although I guess a few IT people would prefer for things like Nautilus etc random file managers to be able to show them nicely too. But if they show up as an icon with a question mark on them or whatever, that's really not a big deal either. Sure, maybe they'll look odd in some graphical file chooser *if* somebody makes them show up, but I think creation of a whiteout - if we allow it at all outside of the union mount itself - should be a root-only thing (the same way mknod is) so quite frankly, it falls under "filesystem corruption makes my directory listings look odd - cry me a river". (I do think we should allow creation - but for root only - for management and testing purposes, but I really think it's a secondary issue, and I do think we should literally use "mknod()" - either with a new S_IFWHT or even just making use of existing S_IFCHR just so you could use the user-space "mknod" to create it with some magic major/minor combination. Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html