On Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:48:54 Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jim Lieb <jlieb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:09:08 Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Jim Lieb <jlieb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:28:15 Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Eric W. Biederman
> >> >>
> >> >> <ebiederm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> > Andy Lutomirski <luto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> >> >> >> On 10/16/2013 08:52 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >> >> >>> Al Viro <viro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 06:18:16PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman
wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> That doesn't look bad but it does need capable(CAP_SETUID) &&
> >> >> >>>>> capable(CAP_SETGID) or possibly something a little more refined.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> D'oh
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> I don't think we want file descriptor passing to all of a sudden
> >> >> >>>>> become
> >> >> >>>>> a grant of privilege, beyond what the passed fd can do.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Definitely. And an extra ) to make it compile wouldn't hurt
> >> >> >>>> either...
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> There also appears to need to be a check that we don't gain any
> >> >> >>> capabilities.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> We also need a check so that you don't gain any capabilities, and
> >> >> >>> possibly a few other things.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Why? I like the user_ns part, but I'm not immediately seeing the
> >> >> >> issue
> >> >> >> with capabilities.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My reasoning was instead of making this syscall as generic as
> >> >> > possible
> >> >> > start it out by only allowing the cases Jim cares about and working
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > a model where you can't gain any permissions you couldn't gain
> >> >> > otherwise.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Although the fd -1 trick to revert to your other existing cred seems
> >> >> > reasonable.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> So I suspect we want a check something like:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> if ((new_cred->securebits != current_cred->securebits) ||
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> (new_cred->cap_inheritable != current_cred->cap_inheritable)
> >> >> >>> ||
> >> >> >>> (new_cred->cap_permitted != current_cred->cap_permitted) ||
> >> >> >>> (new_cred->cap_effective != current_cred->cap_effective) ||
> >> >> >>> (new_cred->cap_bset != current_cred->cap_bset) ||
> >> >> >>> (new_cred->jit_keyring != current_cred->jit_keyring) ||
> >> >> >>> (new_cred->session_keyring != current_cred->session_keyring)
> >> >> >>> ||
> >> >> >>> (new_cred->process_keyring != current_cred->process_keyring)
> >> >> >>> ||
> >> >> >>> (new_cred->thread_keyring != current_cred->thread_keyring) ||
> >> >> >>> (new_cred->request_keyring != current_cred->request_keyring)
> >> >> >>> ||
> >> >> >>> (new_cred->security != current_cred->security) ||
> >> >> >>> (new_cred->user_ns != current_cred->user_ns)) {
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> return -EPERM;
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> }
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I *really* don't like the idea of being able to use any old file
> >> >> >> descriptor. I barely care what rights the caller needs to have to
> >> >> >> invoke this -- if you're going to pass an fd that grants a
> >> >> >> capability
> >> >> >> (in the non-Linux sense of the work), please make sure that the
> >> >> >> sender
> >> >> >> actually wants that behavior.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> IOW, have a syscall to generate a special fd for this purpose.
> >> >> >> It's
> >> >> >> only a couple lines of code, and I think we'll really regret it if
> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> fsck this up.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> (I will take it as a personal challenge to find at least one
> >> >> >> exploitable
> >> >> >> privilege escalation in this if an arbitrary fd works.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you can't switch to a uid or a gid you couldn't switch to
> >> >> > otherwise
> >> >> > then the worst that can happen is an information leak. And
> >> >> > information
> >> >> > leaks are rarely directly exploitable.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's the attack:
> >> >>
> >> >> Suppose there's a daemon that uses this in conjunction with
> >> >> SCM_RIGHTS. The daemon is effectively root (under the current
> >> >> proposal, it has to be). So a client connects, sends a credential fd,
> >> >> and the daemon impersonates those credentials.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now a malicious user obtains *any* fd opened by root. It sends that
> >> >> fd to the daemon. The daemon then impersonates root. We lose. (It
> >> >> can't possibly be hard to obtain an fd with highly privileged f_cred
> >> >> -- I bet that most console programs have stdin like that, for example.
> >> >>
> >> >> There are probably many setuid programs that will happily open
> >> >>
> >> >> /dev/null for you, too.)
> >> >
> >> > In my reply to Eric, I note that I need to add a check that the fd
> >> > passed
> >> > is one from switch_creds. With that test, not any fd will do and the
> >> > one
> >> > that does has only been able to set fsuid, fsgid, altgroups, and
> >> > reduced
> >> > (the nfsd set) caps. They can do no more damage than what the original
> >> > switch_creds allowed. The any fd by root no longer applies so use
> >> > doesn't get much (no escalation).
> >> >
> >> >> >> Also... real_cred looks confusing. AFAICS it is used *only* for
> >> >> >> knfsd
> >> >> >> and faccessat. That is, current userspace can't see it. But now
> >> >> >> you'll
> >> >> >> expose various oddities. For example, AFAICS a capability-less
> >> >> >> process
> >> >> >> that's a userns owner can always use setuid. This will *overwrite*
> >> >> >> real_cred. Then you're screwed, especially if this happens by
> >> >> >> accident.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And doing in userland what faccessat, and knfsd do in the kernel is
> >> >> > exactly what is desired here. But maybe there are issues with that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> That being said, Windows has had functions like this for a long
> >> >> >> time.
> >> >> >> Processes have a primary token and possibly an impersonation token.
> >> >> >> Any
> >> >> >> process can call ImpersonateLoggedOnUser (no privilege required) to
> >> >> >> impersonate the credentials of a token (which is special kind of
> >> >> >> fd).
> >> >> >> Similarly, any process can call RevertToSelf to undo it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Is there any actual problem with allowing completely unprivileged
> >> >> >> tasks
> >> >> >> to switch to one of these magic cred fds? That would avoid needing
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> "revert" operation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If the permission model is this switching of credentials doesn't get
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > anything you couldn't get some other way. That would seem to
> >> >> > totally
> >> >> > rules out unprivileged processes switching these things.
> >> >>
> >> >> IMO, there are two reasonable models that involve fds carrying some
> >> >> kind of credential.
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. The fd actually carries the ability to use the credentials. You
> >> >> need to be very careful whom you send these to. The security
> >> >> implications are obvious (which is good) and the receiver doesn't need
> >> >> privilege (which is good, as long as the receiver is careful).
> >> >
> >> > I test for caps. I think using switch_creds in all forms should
> >> > require
> >> > privs. I thought of the revert case and although it does simply return
> >> > to
> >> > "real" creds, you still need CAP_SETUID and CAP_SETGID to do it. This
> >> > means, of course, if you have really messed up things, you may not be
> >> > able to get back home which, although a bad thing for the process, is a
> >> > good thing for the system as a whole.
> >> >
> >> >> 2. The fd is for identification only. But this means that the fd
> >> >> carries the ability to identify as a user. So you *still* have to be
> >> >> very careful about whom you send it to. What you need is an operation
> >> >> that allows you to identify using the fd without transitively granting
> >> >> the recipient the same ability. On networks, this is done by signing
> >> >> some kind of challenge. The kernel could work the same way, or there
> >> >> could be a new CMSG_IDENTITY that you need an identity fd to send but
> >> >> that does not copy that fd to the recipient.
> >> >
> >> > I am not sure I understand this. CMSG only applies to UNIX_DOMAIN
> >> > sockets
> >> > which means that the switch_creds fd test still applies here. It is
> >> > identification but only for within the same kernel. As for namespaces,
> >> > the
> >> > translation was done when the creds fd was created. I suppose if it
> >> > was
> >> > passed across namespace boundaries there could be a problem but what is
> >> > in
> >> > the creds structure is the translated fduid,fsgid etc., not the
> >> > untranslated one. We are still doing access checks and quota stuff with
> >> > the translated creds. If one namespace has "fred" as uid 52 and
> >> > another
> >> > has "mary" as 52, the quota will only be credited to whoever "fred"
> >> > really is only if "fred" gets to be "mary" in the second alternate
> >> > universe...
> >>
> >> I'm not talking about namespaces here -- I think we're not really on
> >> the same page. Can you describe what you're envisioning doing with
> >> these fds?
> >
> > I have a new version that is now two syscalls and no multiplexing has more
> > testing etc. to mirror exactly the tests in setfsuid(). I still am
> > testing
> > but plan to send this new patchset next week for review.
> >
> > Ok, I may have missed something. What I meant to say is that I'm using
> > the same namespace functions for switch_creds as all the set*uid syscalls
> > use so what I have should work as well. If one were to pass this fd via
> > CMSG, it could cross a namespace boundary. The changed mappings of this
> > fd would be the same as for any other fd passed across now. Maybe that
> > is irrelevant in this case.
> >
> > The purpose of the fd is to create a handle to a creds set that a server
> > can then efficiently switch to prior to filesystem syscalls where fsuid
> > etc. are relevant (mkdir, creat, write, etc.). This is exposing the
> > override_creds() and revert_creds() to these servers. I do not intend in
> > our server to hand these fds to anyone else. After all, they are useless
> > for anything other than switch_creds/use_creds.
> >
> > The server keeps a cache of its known, currently active client creds along
> > with this fd. The fast path is to lookup the creds and use the fd. On
> > cache misses, it does a switch_creds() and saves the fd in the cache.
>
> So if I understand you correctly, you're not planning on sending this
> fd between process at all. In that case, adding a new API that seems
> designed for interprocess use and having exactly zero usecases to
> think about makes me nervous. Why is it going to use fds again?
Correct. They are handles to a set of creds for filesystem calls. I use fds
because every filp has a pointer to a set of creds that gets swapped in for
various things like coredumps, and in the case of knfsd, impersonating the nfs
client for when it does filesystem morphing ops. In order to currently do what
nfsd_setuser() does we must do:
setfsuid();setfsgid(); setgroups(); setcaps();
followed by
open/creat/mknod/write
followed by
setfsuid(); setfsgid(); setgroups(); setcaps();
Each one of these 4 syscalls discards an RCU copy of the creds, both going in
and going out. In the first case below, the revert doesn't recycle the RCU
because the open fd still holds a ref. Same applied to the second case. In
fact here, no new creds are created either. The creds only get recycled when
the fd is closed.
Using an fd to have a handle on what all these do is the simplest thing to
pass back and forth between user and kernel space. This is what Ted T'so and
Al Viro suggested. This ends up looking like:
fd = switch_creds(creds struct);
followed by
open/creat/mknod/write
followed by
use_creds(-1);
The -1 arg is used as I proposed in the earlier round, namely, it tells
use_creds to revert to real creds.
Subsequent uses look like:
use_creds(cached fd);
followed by
open/creat/mknod/write
followed by
use_creds(-1);
There is no need to pass the fd because if the other side has the caps to use
the fd, they have the caps to get their own. We are saving overhead.
>
> Or maybe I should wait to see the updated API before complaining :)
>
> >> >> >> Another note: I think that there may be issues if the creator of a
> >> >> >> token
> >> >> >> has no_new_privs set and the user doesn't. Imagine a daemon that
> >> >> >> accepts one of these fds, impersonates it, and calls exec. This
> >> >> >> could
> >> >> >> be used to escape from no_new_privs land.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Which is why I was suggesting that we don't allow changing any field
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the cred except for uids and gids.
> >> >>
> >> >> If the daemon impersonates and execs, we still lose.
> >> >
> >> > I answered this. You only get to impersonate for purposes of file
> >> > access
> >> > with reduced caps to prevent you from being root as well. Also, since
> >> > these are O_CLOEXEC and switch_creds "magic" fds, this can't happen
> >> > because the fd is gone post-exec.
> >>
> >> If a no_new_privs process authenticates to a daemon and that daemon
> >> execs, then there's now a dumpable, ptraceable, non-no-new-privs
> >> process running as the uid/gid of the no_new_privs process. This may
> >> be dangerous.
> >
> > Two things. My new patch set now throws an error if the fd is not one
> > returned by switch_creds(). The new syscall here is use_creds() btw.
> > That fd is opened O_CLOEXEC so the syscall has two guards. First, it can
> > only be one that switch_creds() returned and second, it gets closed on an
> > exec so the no_new_privs process doesn't get it. In addition,
> > switch_creds() reduces the effective caps set to the same minimal set
> > that nfsd_setuser() has.
> >
> > If someone else chooses to pass this fd via CMSG, whoever gets it has
> > reduced privs and in order to use it for anything, i.e. use_creds(), it
> > still needs to inherit SETUID and SETGID caps from its parent or it will
> > get an EPERM error. Passing this in "friendly" code defeats the purpose
> > of the cache above in that we could get fd leaks. If there is another
> > flag that could prevent its being passed along via CMSG, I can add that
> > too because using CMSG is well outside the use case.
>
> I still don't see the point of lowering effective caps, but this is
> IMO minor. Are you checking the permitted set on revert?
We lower specific filesystem related caps to prevent using the root bypass of
acess checks, prevent root bypass of quota restrictions, and to correctly
charge the impersonated user for quota'd resource usage. This is what
nfsd_setuser() does. I use the same mask set.
I don't check the permitted set associated with the fd because I've already
checked that it is a switch_creds() returned fd (they are immutable). I do
make a check at the beginning of both syscalls for the caps to set uid/gid,
the same test as setfsuid et al.
>
> --Andy
--
Jim Lieb
Linux Systems Engineer
Panasas Inc.
"If ease of use was the only requirement, we would all be riding tricycles"
- Douglas Engelbart 1925–2013
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
