On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 05:35:37PM +0200, Alexander Block wrote: > Hello, > > (this is a resend with proper CC for linux-fsdevel and linux-kernel) > > I would like to start a discussion on atime in Btrfs (and other > filesystems with snapshot support). > > As atime is updated on every access of a file or directory, we get > many changes to the trees in btrfs that as always trigger cow > operations. This is no problem as long as the changed tree blocks are > not shared by other subvolumes. Performance is also not a problem, no > matter if shared or not (thanks to relatime which is the default). > The problems start when someone starts to use snapshots. If you for > example snapshot your root and continue working on your root, after > some time big parts of the tree will be cowed and unshared. In the > worst case, the whole tree gets unshared and thus takes up the double > space. Normally, a user would expect to only use extra space for a > tree if he changes something. > A worst case scenario would be if someone took regular snapshots for > backup purposes and later greps the contents of all snapshots to find > a specific file. This would touch all inodes in all trees and thus > make big parts of the trees unshared. > > relatime (which is the default) reduces this problem a little bit, as > it by default only updates atime once a day. This means, if anyone > wants to test this problem, mount with relatime disabled or change the > system date before you try to update atime (that's the way i tested > it). > > As a solution, I would suggest to make noatime the default for btrfs. > I'm however not sure if it is allowed in linux to have different > default mount options for different filesystem types. I know this > discussion pops up every few years (last time it resulted in making > relatime the default). But this is a special case for btrfs. atime is > already bad on other filesystems, but it's much much worse in btrfs. > Just mount with -o noatime, there's no chance of turning something like that on by default since it will break some applications (notably mutt). Thanks, Josef -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
