Hi when reviewing some i_size problem, I searched the kernel for i_size usage (the variable should really be written with i_size_write and read with i_size_read). Properly locked direct use of "i_size" inside memory management or filesystems may not be a problem, but there are many problems in general code outside mm. The misuses are: SOUND/SOUND_FIRMWARE.C:l = filp->f_path.dentry->d_inode->i_size; KERNEL/RELAY.C:buf->dentry->d_inode->i_size = buf->early_bytes; KERNEL/RELAY.C:buf->dentry->d_inode->i_size += buf->chan->subbuf_size -buf->padding[old_subbuf]; DRIVERS/USB/CORE/INODE.C:dev->usbfs_dentry->d_inode->i_size = i_size; DRIVERS/MTD/DEVICES/BLOCK2MTD.C:dev->mtd.size = dev->blkdev->bd_inode->i_size & PAGE_MASK; DRIVERS/MD/MD.C: many reads of i_size DRIVERS/BLOCK/NBD.C: many writes to i_size without i_size_write DRIVERS/BLOCK/DRBD/DRBD_INT.H: return bdev ? bdev->bd_inode->i_size >> 9 : 0; DRIVERS/BLOCK/DRBD/DRBD_WRAPPERS.H: mdev->this_bdev->bd_inode->i_size = (loff_t)size << 9; BLOCK/BLK-CORE.C:printk(KERN_INFO "%s: rw=%ld, want=%Lu, limit=%Lu\n", bdevname(bio->bi_bdev, b), bio->bi_rw, (unsigned long long)bio->bi_sector + bio_sectors(bio), (long long)(bio->bi_bdev->bd_inode->i_size >> 9)); maxsector = bio->bi_bdev->bd_inode->i_size >> 9; BLOCK/COMPAT_IOCTL.C: size = bdev->bd_inode->i_size; return compat_put_u64(arg, bdev->bd_inode->i_size); BLOCK/IOCTL.C: if (start + len > (bdev->bd_inode->i_size >> 9)) size = bdev->bd_inode->i_size; return put_u64(arg, bdev->bd_inode->i_size); The problem with this code is that if you read i_size without i_size_read and the size wraps around 32 bits, for example from 0xffffffff to 0x100000000 , there is a possibility on 32-bit machines to read an invalid value (either 0 or 0x1ffffffff). Similarly, if you write i_size without i_size_write, the readers can see intermediate invalid values. The original problem that caused this investigation is the question, how a block device driver can change the size of its device. Normal method (used in a few drivers, including dm), consists of mutex_lock(&inode->i_mutex); i_size_write(inode, new_size); mutex_unlock(&inode->i_mutex); This is deadlock-prone, because i_mutex is also held on fsync path. Therefore, this deadlock happens: fsync takes i_mutex and issues I/Os, block device driver wants to change its size, so it waits on i_mutex, the I/Os wait until the device driver did its internal maintenance and changed the inode size. The driver doesn't change the size until fsync finished. Jens, as a block maintainer, please think about it and propose some specification how to clean this up. Also a clean verifiable rule regarding i_size should be specified and the code should be fixed to conform to the rule: maybe we could rename i_size to __i_size and ban its using. Mikulas -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html