Re: [RFC PATCH v2 02/13] x86/um: nommu: elf loader for fdpic

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On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 22:55:02 +0900,
Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 2:17 PM Hajime Tazaki <thehajime@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 19:27:08 +0900,
> > Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 9:37 AM Johannes Berg <johannes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2024-11-13 at 09:36 +0100, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 2024-11-13 at 09:19 +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -       depends on ARM || ((M68K || RISCV || SUPERH || XTENSA) && !MMU)
> > > > > > > > > +       depends on ARM || ((M68K || RISCV || SUPERH || UML || XTENSA) && !MMU)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > s/UML/X86/?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess the fdpic loader can be used to X86, but this patchset only
> > > > > > > adds UML to be able to select it.  I intended to add UML into nommu
> > > > > > > family.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While currently x86-nommu is supported for UML only, this is really
> > > > > > x86-specific. I still hope UML will get support for other architectures
> > > > > > one day, at which point a dependency on UML here will become wrong...
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > X86 isn't set for UML, X64_32 and X64_64 are though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Given that the no-MMU UM support even is 64-bit only, that probably
> > > > > should then really be (UML && X86_64).
> > > > >
> > > > > But it already has !MMU, so can't be selected otherwise, and it seems
> > > > > that non-X86 UML
> > > >
> > > > ... would require far more changes in all kinds of places, so not sure
> > > > I'd be too concerned about it here.
> > >
> > > OK, up to you...
> >
> > Indeed, this particular patch [02/13] intends to support the fdpic
> > loader under the condition 1) x86_64 ELF binaries (w/ PIE), 2) on UML,
> > 3) and with) !MMU configured.  Given that situation, the strict check
> > should be like:
> >
> >    depends on ARM || ((M68K || RISCV || SUPERH || (UML && X86_64) || XTENSA) && !MMU)
> >
> > (as Johannes mentioned).
> >
> > on the other hand, the fdpic loader works (afaik) on MMU environment so,
> >
> >    depends on ARM || (UML && X86_64) || ((M68K || RISCV || SUPERH || XTENSA) && !MMU)
> >
> > should also works, but this might be too broad for this patchset (and
> > not sure if this makes a new use case).
> 
> AFAIK that depends on the architecture's MMU context structure, cfr.
> the comment in commit 782f4c5c44e7d99d ("m68knommu: allow elf_fdpic
> loader to be selected"), which restricts it to nommu on m68k.  If it
> does work on X86_64, you can drop the dependency on UML, and we're
> (almost) back to my initial comment ;-)

I checked and it doesn't work as-is with (UML_X86_64 && MMU).
restricting nommu with UML might be a good to for this patch.

even if it works, I would like to focus on UML && !MMU for this patch
series since I wish to make the (initial) patchset as small as
possible.  If we would like to make it broadly available on x86, that
would be a different patch.

> > anyway, thank you for the comment.
> > # I really wanted to have comments from nommu folks.
> 
> I've added some in CC...

Thanks,

-- Hajime





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