Re: Roadmap for netfslib and local caching (cachefiles)

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Hi David,

On 2024/1/25 22:02, David Howells wrote:
Here's a roadmap for the future development of netfslib and local caching
(e.g. cachefiles).

Thanks for writing this detailed email.  And congrats to you work.
I only comment the parts directly related to myself.



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Local Caching
=============

There are a number of things I want to look at with local caching:

[>] Although cachefiles has switched from using bmap to using SEEK_HOLE and
SEEK_DATA, this isn't sufficient as we cannot rely on the backing filesystem
optimising things and introducing both false positives and false negatives.
Cachefiles needs to track the presence/absence of data for itself.

Yes, that is indeed an issue that needs to resolve and already discussed
before.


I had a partially-implemented solution that stores a block bitmap in an xattr,
but that only worked up to files of 1G in size (with bits representing 256K
blocks in a 512-byte bitmap).

Jingbo once had an approach to use external bitmap files and
extended-attribute pointers inside the cache files:
https://listman.redhat.com/archives/linux-cachefs/2022-August/007050.html

I'm not quite sure the performance was but if it's worth trying or comparing,
that might be useful though.


[>] An alternative cache format might prove more fruitful.  Various AFS
implementations use a 'tagged cache' format with an index file and a bunch of
small files each of which contains a single block (typically 256K in OpenAFS).

This would offer some advantages over the current approach:

  - it can handle entry reuse within the index
  - doesn't require an external culling process
  - doesn't need to truncate/reallocate when invalidating

There are some downsides, including:

  - each block is in a separate file

Not quite sure, yet accessing too many small files might be another issue
which is currently happening with AI training workloads.. but as you said,
it's worth trying.

  - metadata coherency is more tricky - a powercut may require a cache wipe
  - the index key is highly variable in size if used for multiple filesystems

But OpenAFS has been using this for something like 30 years, so it's probably
worth a try.

Yes, also configurable chunk sizes per blob are much helpful.

Thanks,
Gao Xiang


[>] Need to work out some way to store xattrs, directory entries and inode
metadata efficiently.

[>] Using NVRAM as the cache rather than spinning rust.

[>] Support for disconnected operation to pin desirable data and keep
track of changes.

[>] A user API by which the cache for specific files or volumes can be
flushed.


Disconnected Operation
======================

I'm working towards providing support for disconnected operation, so that,
provided you've got your working set pinned in the cache, you can continue to
work on your network-provided files when the network goes away and resync the
changes later.

This is going to require a number of things:

  (1) A user API by which files can be preloaded into the cache and pinned.

  (2) The ability to track changes in the cache.

  (3) A way to synchronise changes on reconnection.

  (4) A way to communicate to the user when there's a conflict with a third
      party change on reconnect.  This might involve communicating via systemd
      to the desktop environment to ask the user to indicate how they'd like
      conflicts recolved.

  (5) A way to prompt the user to re-enter their authentication/crypto keys.

  (6) A way to ask the user how to handle a process that wants to access data
      we don't have (error/wait) - and how to handle the DE getting stuck in
      this fashion.

David




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