On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 09:47:47AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > On Wed, 13 Dec 2023, Christian Brauner wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 08:46:54AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > > On Wed, 13 Dec 2023, Miklos Szeredi wrote: > > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 at 16:35, Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Other poeple have been finding ways to contribute to the technical > > > > > discussion; just calling things "ugly and broken" does not. > > > > > > > > Kent, calm down please. We call things "ugly and broken" all the > > > > time. That's just an opinion, you are free to argue it, and no need > > > > to take it personally. > > > > > > But maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we should focus on saying what, exactly, > > > is unpleasant to look at and way. Or what exactly causes poor > > > funcationality. > > > > I said it's "ugly" and I doubted it's value. I didn't call it "broken". > > And I've been supportive of the other parts. Yet everyone seems fine > > with having this spiral out of control to the point where I'm being > > called a dick. > > > > You hade a privat discussion on the bcachefs mailing list and it seems > > you expected to show up here with a complete interface that we just all > > pick up and merge even though this is a multi-year longstanding > > argument. > > I thought I was still having that private discussion on the bcachefs > mailing list. I didn't realise that fsdevel had been added. I only thought that the discussion had gotten to the point where we had something concrete enough to start to circulate more widely. I wonder if some introspection could go into why this has been a multi-year longstanding argument.