On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 01:46:36PM +0100, Christian Brauner wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 05:48:15PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 05:28:27PM +0100, Christian Brauner wrote:
> >
> > > > +pid_t rust_helper_task_tgid_nr_ns(struct task_struct *tsk,
> > > > + struct pid_namespace *ns)
> > > > +{
> > > > + return task_tgid_nr_ns(tsk, ns);
> > > > +}
> > > > +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(rust_helper_task_tgid_nr_ns);
> > >
> > > I'm a bit puzzled by all these rust_helper_*() calls. Can you explain
> > > why they are needed? Because they are/can be static inlines and that
> > > somehow doesn't work?
> >
> > Correct, because Rust can only talk to C ABI, it cannot use C headers.
> > Bindgen would need to translate the full C headers into valid Rust for
> > that to work.
> >
> > I really think the Rust peoples should spend more effort on that,
> > because you are quite right, all this wrappery is tedious at best.
I suspect even if the manpower existed to go that route we'd end up
regretting it, because then the Rust compiler would need to be able to
handle _all_ the craziness a modern C compiler knows how to do -
preprocessor magic/devilry isn't even the worst of it, it gets even
worse when you start to consider things like bitfields and all the crazy
__attributes__(()) people have invented.
Swift went that route, but they have Apple funding them, and I doubt
even they would want anything to do with Linux kernel C.
IOW: yes, the extra friction from not being able to do full C -> Rust
translation is annoying now, but probably a good thing in the long run.
> The problem is that we end up with a long list of explicit exports that
> also are all really weirdly named like rust_helper_*(). I wouldn't even
> complain if it they were somehow auto-generated but as you say that
> might be out of scope.
I think we'd need help from the C side to auto generate them - what we
really want is for them to be inline, not static inline, but of course
that has never really worked for functions used across a single C file.
But maybe C compiler people are smarter these days?
Just a keyword to to tell the C compiler "take this static inline and
generate a compiled version in this .c file" would be all we need.
I could see it being handy for other things, too: as Linus has been
saying, we tend to inline too much code these days, and part of the
reason for that is we make a function inline because of the _one_
fastpath that needs it, but there's 3 more slowpaths that don't.
And right now we don't have any sane way of having a function be
available with both inlined and outlined versions, besides the same kind
of manual wrappers the Rust people are doing here... so we should
probably just fix that.
