On Tue, 2023-11-28 at 14:51 +0100, Christian Brauner wrote: > [Reusing the trimmed Cc] > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 11:16:06AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2023, Chuck Lever wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 09:05:21AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > > > > > > > I have evidence from a customer site of 256 nfsd threads adding files to > > > > delayed_fput_lists nearly twice as fast they are retired by a single > > > > work-queue thread running delayed_fput(). As you might imagine this > > > > does not end well (20 million files in the queue at the time a snapshot > > > > was taken for analysis). > > > > > > > > While this might point to a problem with the filesystem not handling the > > > > final close efficiently, such problems should only hurt throughput, not > > > > lead to memory exhaustion. > > > > > > I have this patch queued for v6.8: > > > > > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/cel/linux.git/commit/?h=nfsd-next&id=c42661ffa58acfeaf73b932dec1e6f04ce8a98c0 > > > > > > > Thanks.... > > I think that change is good, but I don't think it addresses the problem > > mentioned in the description, and it is not directly relevant to the > > problem I saw ... though it is complicated. > > > > The problem "workqueue ... hogged cpu..." probably means that > > nfsd_file_dispose_list() needs a cond_resched() call in the loop. > > That will stop it from hogging the CPU whether it is tied to one CPU or > > free to roam. > > > > Also that work is calling filp_close() which primarily calls > > filp_flush(). > > It also calls fput() but that does minimal work. If there is much work > > to do then that is offloaded to another work-item. *That* is the > > workitem that I had problems with. > > > > The problem I saw was with an older kernel which didn't have the nfsd > > file cache and so probably is calling filp_close more often. So maybe > > my patch isn't so important now. Particularly as nfsd now isn't closing > > most files in-task but instead offloads that to another task. So the > > final fput will not be handled by the nfsd task either. > > > > But I think there is room for improvement. Gathering lots of files > > together into a list and closing them sequentially is not going to be as > > efficient as closing them in parallel. > > > > > > > > > For normal threads, the thread that closes the file also calls the > > > > final fput so there is natural rate limiting preventing excessive growth > > > > in the list of delayed fputs. For kernel threads, and particularly for > > > > nfsd, delayed in the final fput do not impose any throttling to prevent > > > > the thread from closing more files. > > > > > > I don't think we want to block nfsd threads waiting for files to > > > close. Won't that be a potential denial of service? > > > > Not as much as the denial of service caused by memory exhaustion due to > > an indefinitely growing list of files waiting to be closed by a single > > thread of workqueue. > > It seems less likely that you run into memory exhausting than a DOS > because nfsd() is busy closing fds. Especially because you default to > single nfsd thread afaict. > The default is currently 8 threads (which is ridiculously low for most uses, but that's another discussion). That policy is usually set by userland nfs-utils though. This is another place where we might want to reserve a "rescuer" thread that avoids doing work that can end up blocked. Maybe we could switch back to queuing them to the list when we're below a certain threshold of available threads (1? 2? 4?). > > I think it is perfectly reasonable that when handling an NFSv4 CLOSE, > > the nfsd thread should completely handle that request including all the > > flush and ->release etc. If that causes any denial of service, then > > simple increase the number of nfsd threads. > > But isn't that a significant behavioral change? So I would expect to > make this at configurable via a module- or Kconfig option? > I struggle to think about how we would document a new option like this. > > For NFSv3 it is more complex. On the kernel where I saw a problem the > > filp_close happen after each READ or WRITE (though I think the customer > > was using NFSv4...). With the file cache there is no thread that is > > obviously responsible for the close. > > To get the sort of throttling that I think is need, we could possibly > > have each "nfsd_open" check if there are pending closes, and to wait for > > some small amount of progress. > > > > But don't think it is reasonable for the nfsd threads to take none of > > the burden of closing files as that can result in imbalance. > > It feels that this really needs to be tested under a similar workload in > question to see whether this is a viable solution. Definitely. I'd also like to see how this behaves with NFS or Ceph reexport. Closing can be quite slow on those filesystems, so that might be a good place to try and break this. -- Jeff Layton <jlayton@xxxxxxxxxx>
