Hi Kent, hi Linus, hi everyone, Kent Overstreet - 08.09.23, 01:40:01 CEST: > The biggest thing has just been the non stop hostility and accusations - > everything from "fracturing the community" too "ignoring all the rules" > and my favorite, "is this the hill Kent wants to die on?" - when I'm > just trying to get work done. I observed this for a while now, without commenting and found the following pattern on both "sides" of the story: Accusing the other one of wrong-doing. As long as those involved in the merging process continue that pattern that story of not merging bcachefs most likely will continue. And even if it gets merged, there would be ongoing conflict about it. Cause I have no control over how someone else acts. Quite the contrary: The more I expect and require someone else to change the more resistance I am most likely to meet. I only can change how I act. This pattern stops exactly when everyone involved looks at their own part in this repeated and frustrating "bcachefs is not merged to the mainline Linux kernel" dance. And from what I observed the failure to merge it is not caused by a single developer. Neither from you, Kent, neither from anyone else. It is the combination of the single actions of several developers and the social interaction between them that caused the failure to merge it so far. Accusing the other one is giving all the power to change the situation to someone else. I am sure merging it will work when everyone involved first looks at themselves and asks themselves the questions "Have I contributed to make merging bcachefs difficult and if so how and most importantly how can I act more constructive about it?". And I mean that for the developers who have been skeptical about the merge as well as the supportive developers including Kent. There have been actions on both "sides" that contributed to delay a merge. I am not going to make a list but leave it to everyone involved to consider themselves what those were. For the recent requests of having it GPG signed as well as having it go through next: I think those requests are reasonable. As far as I read bcache back then went through next as well. Would it have been nice to have been told that earlier? Yes. But both of those requests are certainly not a show-stopper to have bcachefs merged at a later time. Of course I know I have been asking others to go within and consider their own behavior in this mail while being perfectly aware that I cannot change how anyone else acts. However, maybe it is an inspiration to some to decide for themselves to consider a change. In the best hopes to see bcachefs being merged to the "official" Linux kernel soon, -- Martin
