On 12/22/22 21:28, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Donald Buczek dixit:
No, Escaping would break existing programs which parse the line by
searching for the ')' from the right.
Huh? No!
The format is "(" + string + ") " after all, and only the string
part would get escaped.
The only visible change would be that programs containing a
whitespace character (and, ideally, a ‘(’) in their name would
')'
be escaped, which are these that are currently broken anyway.
You would still break programs which use the string for anything else than displaying it to the user.
We have a job control daemon, which stored PIDs of jobs it has started in a database. The daemon is able to restart. When it comes back up, it needs to find out, whether its jobs are still alive. The problem here is pid wrap: A job might be gone, but a unrelated new process might have gotten the recycled pid. To avoid confusion, the restarting job control daemon looks at the comm value of the process in question, which is known for its own jobs [1].
[1]: https://github.molgen.mpg.de/mariux64/mxq/blob/f3d9fb8c6143c3a884210b212ed4a8514a49a414/mxqd.c#L904
In this case, the fixed process name (set with prctl PR_SET_NAME) even contains a space: "mxqd reaper".
To be fair, this daemon doesn't use /proc/pid/stat for that, but /proc/pid/comm instead. So it wouldn't really be affected by your proposed change. But that is just a random design decision. As /proc/pid/stat is also used in many places, it could as well use that to avoid code duplication or reuse data already read from the other source.
And perhaps backslashes, if you decide to encode unambiguous,
but given the field length limit, I don’t think that was ever
a goal (both because I suspect this file was intended to be
used to get a quick overview and therefore deliberately shortens
and because the full info is available elsewhere), so no need to
encode unambiguously.
If some documentation suggests, that you can just parse it with scanf,
the documentation should be corrected/improved instead.
No. Someone recently did a survey, and most code in existence splits
by whitespace. Fix the kernel bug instead.
Yes, I've seen that on oss-security. No doubt, its easy to parse the file wrongly and no doubt, many programs do that.
I also acknowledge, that the man page and the implementation are in conflict.
However, afaik, 'correctness' in the kernel world is not defined by specifications, less by man pages, but by implementation. So this can't be declared a kernel bug just because it conflicts with a manpage.
Plus the manpage, which you use as a foundation that there is something to fix, doesn't talk about encoding, either. So even when some encoding was applied, the interface would still be in conflict with the manpage.
Generally, changes, which might break userspace, are not very welcome, even if the current implementation is ugly and difficult to work with. I just wanted to point out, that there exists programs which interpret the comm value they got from procfs. If these programs happen to use /proc/pid/stat for reading it, they might fail, if the format was changed. And experience shows, that any (miss-)feature is used by somebody somewhere, so any "might break" is really a "will break".
I don't object to a change and I think its a valid position to risk a breakage of a very few programs for what you might gain here. But it is not self-evident by the declarative power of the manpage or otherwise. It's a judgement, which has to be taken.
Best
Donald
Are you referring to proc(5) "The fields, in order, with their proper
scanf(3) format specifiers, are listed below" [1] or something else?
Yes.
The referenced manual page is wrong in regard to the length, too. There
is no 16 character limit to the field, because it can contain a
workqueue task name, too:
Probably used to be cut off after 16. Go fix that in the manpage
then. But do fix the encoding kernel-side.
In fact, if you start escaping now you might also break programs which
rely on the current 64 character limit.
Just cut off at the end then, like I suspect was done at 16 bytes
initially.
Or strip whitespace and closing parenthesis if present instead
of encoding them, or replace them with a question mark.
bye,
//mirabilos
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