Re: [PATCH RESEND V12 3/8] fuse: Definitions and ioctl for passthrough

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On Mon, 12 Sept 2022 at 15:03, Miklos Szeredi <miklos@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Sept 2022 at 14:29, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 12:29 PM Miklos Szeredi <miklos@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 10 Sept 2022 at 10:52, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > > > BTW, I see that the Android team is presenting eBPF-FUSE on LPC
> > > > coming Tuesday [1].
> > >
> > > At first glance it looks like a filtered kernel-only passthrough +
> > > fuse fallback, where filtering is provided by eBPF scripts and only
> > > falls back to userspace access on more complex cases.  Maybe it's a
> > > good direction, we'll see.
> >
> > Yeh, we'll see.
> >
> > > Apparently the passthrough case is
> > > important enough for various use cases.
> > >
> >
> > Indeed.
> > My use case is HSM and I think that using FUSE for HSM is becoming
> > more and more common these days.
>
> HSM?
>
> >
> > One of the things that bothers me is that both this FUSE_PASSTHROUGH
> > patch set and any future eBPF-FUSE passthrough implementation is
> > bound to duplicate a lot of code and know how from overlayfs
> > (along with the bugs).
> >
> > We could try to factor out some common bits to a kernel fs passthough
> > library.
>
> Yeah, although fuse/passthrough might not want all the complexity.
> Getting rid of the context switch latency is the easy part.  Getting
> rid of dcache duplication is the hard one, though it seems that the

s/dcache/page cache/

> current level of hacks in overlayfs seems sufficient and nobody much
> cares for the corner cases (or works around them).
>
> >
> > Anotehr options to consider is not to add any passthrough logic
> > to FUSE at all.
> >
> > Instead, implement a "switch" fs to choose between passthrough
> > to one of several underlying fs "branches", where one of the branches
> > could be local fs and another a FUSE fs (i.e. for the complex cases).
>
> st_dev/st_ino management might become a headache (as it is in overlayfs).
>
> Thanks,
> Miklos



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