> But either follow the de-facto > standard that ls has set 30 years or more ago The standard you're talking about is for Unix systems that have Unix filesystems contained within them. But today, one can use a Unix system to look at a directory full of files that were created in a Windows culture. In that case it would be suboptimal to hide the files whose names start with "." and show the rest. The person who set up that directory didn't intend that. This is a pretty difficult requirement -- It might even be infeasible to satisfy it. But I think it's real. The creator of a file either intended for it to be omitted from common views or he didn't, and it would be nice if there were a simple and reliable way for a file viewer to discern which. Personally, I'm not even qualified to guess at what a user wants to be hidden, because I decided long ago that hidden files were not in my best interest and I always set up 'ls' to show everything but . and .. . -- Bryan Henderson IBM Almaden Research Center San Jose CA Storage Systems -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html