On 06/03/20 10:40, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 06:46:00PM +0200, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> > On 29.05.20 12:08, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 06:11:12PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > >>> FWIW, I think you're referring to Mel's notice in OSPM regarding the overhead.
> > >>> Trying to see what goes on in there.
> > >>
> > >> Indeed, that one. The fact that regular distros cannot enable this
> > >> feature due to performance overhead is unfortunate. It means there is a
> > >> lot less potential for this stuff.
> > >
> > > During that talk, I was a vague about the cost, admitted I had not looked
> > > too closely at mainline performance and had since deleted the data given
> > > that the problem was first spotted in early April. If I heard someone
> > > else making statements like I did at the talk, I would consider it a bit
> > > vague, potentially FUD, possibly wrong and worth rechecking myself. In
> > > terms of distributions "cannot enable this", we could but I was unwilling
> > > to pay the cost for a feature no one has asked for yet. If they had, I
> > > would endevour to put it behind static branches and disable it by default
> > > (like what happened for PSI). I was contacted offlist about my comments
> > > at OSPM and gathered new data to respond properly. For the record, here
> > > is an editted version of my response;
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > I ran these tests on 'Ubuntu 18.04 Desktop' on Intel E5-2690 v2
> > (2 sockets * 10 cores * 2 threads) with powersave governor as:
> >
> > $ numactl -N 0 ./run-mmtests.sh XXX
> >
> > w/ config-network-netperf-unbound.
> >
> > Running w/o 'numactl -N 0' gives slightly worse results.
> >
> > without-clamp : CONFIG_UCLAMP_TASK is not set
> > with-clamp : CONFIG_UCLAMP_TASK=y,
> > CONFIG_UCLAMP_TASK_GROUP is not set
> > with-clamp-tskgrp : CONFIG_UCLAMP_TASK=y,
> > CONFIG_UCLAMP_TASK_GROUP=y
> >
> >
> > netperf-udp
> > ./5.7.0-rc7 ./5.7.0-rc7 ./5.7.0-rc7
> > without-clamp with-clamp with-clamp-tskgrp
> >
> > Hmean send-64 153.62 ( 0.00%) 151.80 * -1.19%* 155.60 * 1.28%*
> > Hmean send-128 306.77 ( 0.00%) 306.27 * -0.16%* 309.39 * 0.85%*
> > Hmean send-256 608.54 ( 0.00%) 604.28 * -0.70%* 613.42 * 0.80%*
> > Hmean send-1024 2395.80 ( 0.00%) 2365.67 * -1.26%* 2409.50 * 0.57%*
> > Hmean send-2048 4608.70 ( 0.00%) 4544.02 * -1.40%* 4665.96 * 1.24%*
> > Hmean send-3312 7223.97 ( 0.00%) 7158.88 * -0.90%* 7331.23 * 1.48%*
> > Hmean send-4096 8729.53 ( 0.00%) 8598.78 * -1.50%* 8860.47 * 1.50%*
> > Hmean send-8192 14961.77 ( 0.00%) 14418.92 * -3.63%* 14908.36 * -0.36%*
> > Hmean send-16384 25799.50 ( 0.00%) 25025.64 * -3.00%* 25831.20 * 0.12%*
> > Hmean recv-64 153.62 ( 0.00%) 151.80 * -1.19%* 155.60 * 1.28%*
> > Hmean recv-128 306.77 ( 0.00%) 306.27 * -0.16%* 309.39 * 0.85%*
> > Hmean recv-256 608.54 ( 0.00%) 604.28 * -0.70%* 613.42 * 0.80%*
> > Hmean recv-1024 2395.80 ( 0.00%) 2365.67 * -1.26%* 2409.50 * 0.57%*
> > Hmean recv-2048 4608.70 ( 0.00%) 4544.02 * -1.40%* 4665.95 * 1.24%*
> > Hmean recv-3312 7223.97 ( 0.00%) 7158.88 * -0.90%* 7331.23 * 1.48%*
> > Hmean recv-4096 8729.53 ( 0.00%) 8598.78 * -1.50%* 8860.47 * 1.50%*
> > Hmean recv-8192 14961.61 ( 0.00%) 14418.88 * -3.63%* 14908.30 * -0.36%*
> > Hmean recv-16384 25799.39 ( 0.00%) 25025.49 * -3.00%* 25831.00 * 0.12%*
> >
> > netperf-tcp
> >
> > Hmean 64 818.65 ( 0.00%) 812.98 * -0.69%* 826.17 * 0.92%*
> > Hmean 128 1569.55 ( 0.00%) 1555.79 * -0.88%* 1586.94 * 1.11%*
> > Hmean 256 2952.86 ( 0.00%) 2915.07 * -1.28%* 2968.15 * 0.52%*
> > Hmean 1024 10425.91 ( 0.00%) 10296.68 * -1.24%* 10418.38 * -0.07%*
> > Hmean 2048 17454.51 ( 0.00%) 17369.57 * -0.49%* 17419.24 * -0.20%*
> > Hmean 3312 22509.95 ( 0.00%) 22229.69 * -1.25%* 22373.32 * -0.61%*
> > Hmean 4096 25033.23 ( 0.00%) 24859.59 * -0.69%* 24912.50 * -0.48%*
> > Hmean 8192 32080.51 ( 0.00%) 31744.51 * -1.05%* 31800.45 * -0.87%*
> > Hmean 16384 36531.86 ( 0.00%) 37064.68 * 1.46%* 37397.71 * 2.37%*
> >
> > The diffs are smaller than on openSUSE Leap 15.1 and some of the
> > uclamp taskgroup results are better?
> >
>
> I don't see the stddev and coeff but these look close to borderline.
> Sure, they are marked with a * so it passed a significant test but it's
> still a very marginal difference for netperf. It's possible that the
> systemd configurations differ in some way that is significant for uclamp
> but I don't know what that is.
Hmm so what you're saying is that Dietmar didn't reproduce the same problem
you're observing? I was hoping to use that to dig more into it.
>
> > With this test setup we now can play with the uclamp code in
> > enqueue_task() and dequeue_task().
> >
>
> That is still true. An annotated perf profile should tell you if the
> uclamp code is being heavily used or if it's bailing early but it's also
> possible that uclamp overhead is not a big deal on your particular
> machine.
>
> The possibility that either the distribution, the machine or both are
> critical for detecting a problem with uclamp may explain why any overhead
> was missed. Even if it is marginal, it still makes sense to minimise the
> amount of uclamp code that is executed if no limit is specified for tasks.
So one speculation I have that might be causing the problem is that the
accesses of struct uclamp_rq are causing bad cache behavior in your case. Your
mmtest description of the netperf says that it is sensitive to cacheline
bouncing.
Looking at struct rq, the uclamp_rq is spanning 2 cachelines
29954 /* --- cacheline 1 boundary (64 bytes) --- */
29955 struct uclamp_rq uclamp[2]; /* 64 96 */
29956 /* --- cacheline 2 boundary (128 bytes) was 32 bytes ago --- */
29957 unsigned int uclamp_flags; /* 160 4 */
29958
29959 /* XXX 28 bytes hole, try to pack */
29960
Reducing sturct uclamp_bucket to use unsigned int instead of unsigned long
helps putting it all in a single cacheline
diff --git a/kernel/sched/sched.h b/kernel/sched/sched.h
index db3a57675ccf..63b5397a1708 100644
--- a/kernel/sched/sched.h
+++ b/kernel/sched/sched.h
@@ -833,8 +833,8 @@ extern void rto_push_irq_work_func(struct irq_work *work);
* clamp value.
*/
struct uclamp_bucket {
- unsigned long value : bits_per(SCHED_CAPACITY_SCALE);
- unsigned long tasks : BITS_PER_LONG - bits_per(SCHED_CAPACITY_SCALE);
+ unsigned int value : bits_per(SCHED_CAPACITY_SCALE);
+ unsigned int tasks : 32 - bits_per(SCHED_CAPACITY_SCALE);
};
/*
29954 /* --- cacheline 1 boundary (64 bytes) --- */
29955 struct uclamp_rq uclamp[2]; /* 64 48 */
29956 unsigned int uclamp_flags; /* 112 4 */
29957
Is it something worth experimenting with?
Thanks
--
Qais Yousef
