Hi Luis,
I'm glad you are a subject expert in this area.
Some more comments inline.
On 2019-08-19 6:26 p.m., Luis Chamberlain wrote:
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 09:19:51AM -0700, Scott Branden wrote:
To be honest, I find the entire firmware code sloppy.
And that is after years of cleanup on my part. Try going back to v4.1
for instance, check the code out then for an incredible horrific sight :)
I don't think the cache/no-cache feature is
implemented or tested properly nor fallback to begin with.
I'm in total agreement! I *know* there must be holes in that code, and I
acknowledge a few possible gotchas on the commit logs. For instance, I
acknowledged that the firmware cache had a secondary purpose which was
not well documented or understood through commit e44565f62a720
("firmware: fix batched requests - wake all waiters"). The firmware
cache allows for batching requests and sharing the same original request
for multiple consecutive requests which *race against each other*.
That's when I started having my doubts about the architecture of the
firmware cache mechanism, it seemed too complex and perhaps overkill
and considered killing it.
Great (kill it!). I have no need for cached or batched requests.
The would remove a lot of problems.
As I noted in that commit, the firmware cache is used for:
1) Addressing races with file lookups during the suspend/resume cycle by
keeping firmware in memory during the suspend/resume cycle
2) Batched requests for the same file rely only on work from the first
file lookup, which keeps the firmware in memory until the last
release_firmware() is called
Also worth quoting from that commit as well:
"Batched requests *only* take effect if secondary requests come in
prior to the first user calling release_firmware(). The devres name used
for the internal firmware cache is used as a hint other pending requests
are ongoing, the firmware buffer data is kept in memory until the last
user of the buffer calls release_firmware(), therefore serializing
requests and delaying the release until all requests are done."
Later we discovered that the firmware cache had a serious security issue
since its inception through commit 422b3db2a503 ("firmware: Fix security
issue with request_firmware_into_buf()"). Granted, exploiting this would
require the ability to load kernel code, so the vector of exploitation
is rather small.
The cache stuff cannot be removed as it *at least* resolves the fw
suspend stuff, but still, this can likely use a revisit in rachitecture
long term. The second implicit use case for batched requests however
seems complex and not sure if its worth to maintain. I'll note that
at least some drivers *do* their own firmware caching, iwlwifi, is one,
so there is an example there to allow drivers to say "I actually don't
need caching" for the future.
If you're volunteering to cleaning / testing the cache stuff I highly
welcome that.
I would only volunteer to remove it, not test or support it.
That and the fallback stuff has been needing testing for
years. Someoone was working on patches on the test case for cache stuff
a while ago, from Intel, but they disappeared.
Again, I would only volunteer to remove the fallback mechanism to remove
added race conditions.
I'm not claiming this patch is the final
solution and indicated such in the cover letter and the comment above.
I missed that sorry.
I hope there is someone more familiar with this code to comment further and
come up with a proper solution.
Alright, I'll dig in and take a look, and propose an alternative.
I have found numerous issues and race conditions with the firmware code (I
simply added a test).
That is nothing compared to the amount of fixes I have found and
actually fixed too, the code was a nightmare before I took on
maintenance.
1) Try loading the same valid firmware using no-cache once it has already
been loaded with cache.
:)
It won't work, which is why I had to use a different filename in the test
for request_firmware_into_buf.
Alright, I'll go try to fix this. Thanks for the report.
I think it's a minor issue compared to the race conditions present.
In reality I don't think anyone will load the same firmware using cache vs.
no-cache.
It's just something I stumbled upon when adding the test case and then
had to avoid.
2) Try removing the "if (opt_flags & FW_OPT_NOCACHE)" in my patch and always
call the mutex.
The firmware test will lock up during a "no uevent" test. I am not familiar
with the code to
know why such is true and what issue this exposes in the code.
I hinted in my review of the oops what the issue was.
I don't know if it's the same bug for the "no uevent" test case though?
The test
just hangs and the kernel oops is not present. It might be exposing another
underlying issue with the request_firmware code.
3) I have a driver that uses request_firmware_into_buf and have multiple
instances of the driver
Cool, is the driver upstream?
I'm working on cleaning up the driver right now to upstream.
First thing is I need the request_firmware_into_buf tests accepted upstream.
Then I can add my enhancement to request_firmware_into_buf to partial
read the file (previous sent out but needed test case).
In order to do so Greg K-H required a test case for this but even the
current API had no test.
In that patch series I can then add the new driver which requires my
enhanced request_firmware_into_buf.
loading the same firmware in parallel. Some of the data is not read
correctly in each instance.
Makes perfect sense considering the lack of testing I noted.
I haven't yet to reproduce this issue with the firmware test
That's because of batched firmware request mechanism.
Is there a way to not use the batch firmware request mechanism when
calling request_firmware_into_buf
to see if the problem doesn't happen?
but currently
have a mutex around the entire
call to request_firmware_into_buf in our driver.
I will take a look at this now.
Perhaps it is better at this point to add a mutex in
request_firmware_into_buf to make is entirely safe?
No, that is not sufficient, although it would also solve the
issue.
I don't have another solution with all the other mechanisms in
play in the current firmware code. For now I'll leave the mutex
in the driver I'm upstreaming so it works reliably.
(Perhaps even with every request_firmware functions as none seems to be
tested properly.)
No, you are incorrect. The other firmware API calls *have* been
elaborately tested. The firmware cache stuff *is a mess* however,
since we *use and support it*, I've done my best to salvage it and
document it.
OK, I don't use any of the other mechanisms right now.
All I require is request_firmware_into_buf.
I'll take a look at this and propose an alternative solution.
Luis
