On 2019-05-31 23:09, Jens Axboe wrote:
On 5/31/19 1:45 PM, Roman Penyaev wrote:
On 2019-05-31 18:54, Jens Axboe wrote:
On 5/31/19 10:02 AM, Roman Penyaev wrote:
On 2019-05-31 16:48, Jens Axboe wrote:
On 5/16/19 2:57 AM, Roman Penyaev wrote:
Hi all,
This is v3 which introduces pollable epoll from userspace.
v3:
- Measurements made, represented below.
- Fix alignment for epoll_uitem structure on all 64-bit archs
except
x86-64. epoll_uitem should be always 16 bit, proper
BUILD_BUG_ON
is added. (Linus)
- Check pollflags explicitly on 0 inside work callback, and do
nothing
if 0.
v2:
- No reallocations, the max number of items (thus size of the
user
ring)
is specified by the caller.
- Interface is simplified: -ENOSPC is returned on attempt to
add
a
new
epoll item if number is reached the max, nothing more.
- Alloced pages are accounted using user->locked_vm and
limited
to
RLIMIT_MEMLOCK value.
- EPOLLONESHOT is handled.
This series introduces pollable epoll from userspace, i.e. user
creates
epfd with a new EPOLL_USERPOLL flag, mmaps epoll descriptor, gets
header
and ring pointers and then consumes ready events from a ring,
avoiding
epoll_wait() call. When ring is empty, user has to call
epoll_wait()
in order to wait for new events. epoll_wait() returns -ESTALE if
user
ring has events in the ring (kind of indication, that user has to
consume
events from the user ring first, I could not invent anything
better
than
returning -ESTALE).
For user header and user ring allocation I used vmalloc_user(). I
found
that it is much easy to reuse remap_vmalloc_range_partial()
instead
of
dealing with page cache (like aio.c does). What is also nice is
that
virtual address is properly aligned on SHMLBA, thus there should
not
be
any d-cache aliasing problems on archs with vivt or vipt caches.
Why aren't we just adding support to io_uring for this instead?
Then
we
don't need yet another entirely new ring, that's is just a little
different from what we have.
I haven't looked into the details of your implementation, just
curious
if there's anything that makes using io_uring a non-starter for
this
purpose?
Afaict the main difference is that you do not need to recharge an fd
(submit new poll request in terms of io_uring): once fd has been
added
to
epoll with epoll_ctl() - we get events. When you have thousands of
fds
-
that should matter.
Also interesting question is how difficult to modify existing event
loops
in event libraries in order to support recharging (EPOLLONESHOT in
terms
of epoll).
Maybe Azat who maintains libevent can shed light on this (currently
I
see
that libevent does not support "EPOLLONESHOT" logic).
In terms of existing io_uring poll support, which is what I'm
guessing
you're referring to, it is indeed just one-shot.
Yes, yes.
But there's no reason why we can't have it persist until explicitly
canceled with POLL_REMOVE.
It seems not so easy. The main problem is that with only a ring it is
impossible to figure out on kernel side what event bits have been
already
seen by the userspace and what bits are new. So every new cqe has to
be added to a completion ring on each wake_up_interruptible() call.
(I mean when fd wants to report that something is ready).
IMO that can lead to many duplicate events (tens? hundreds? honestly
no
idea), which userspace has to handle with subsequent read/write calls.
It can kill all performance benefits of a uring.
In uepoll this is solved with another piece of shared memory, where
userspace atomically clears bits and kernel side sets bits. If kernel
observes that bits were set (i.e. userspace has not seen this event)
- new index is added to a ring.
Those are good points.
Can we extend the io_uring API to support this behavior? Also would
be great if we can make event path lockless. On a big number of fds
and frequent events - this matters, please take a look, recently I
did some measurements: https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/12/12/305
Yeah, I'd be happy to entertain that idea, and lockless completions as
well. We already do that for polled IO, but consider any "normal"
completion to be IRQ driven and hence need locking.
I would like to contribute as much as I can. "Subscription" on events
along with lockless ring seems reasonable to do for io_uring. I still
tend to think that uepoll and io_uring poll can coexist, at least
because it can be difficult to adopt current event libraries to async
nature of "add fd" / "remove add" requests of the io_uring, e.g. when
epoll_ctl() is called in order to remove fd, the caller expects no
events come after epoll_ctl() returns. Async behavior can break the
event loop. What can help is ability to wait on particular request,
which seems not possible without ugly tricks, right? (Under ugly tricks
I mean something as: wait for any event, traverse the completion ring
in order to meet particular completion, repeat if nothing is found).
Also epoll_ctl() can be called from another thread in order to
add/remove fd, and I suppose that is also successfully used by event
loop libraries or users of these libraries (not quite sure though, but
can imagine why it can be useful). To fix that will require introducing
locks on submission path of io_uring callers (I mean on user side,
inside these libraries), which can impact performance for generic
cases (only submission though).
What I want to say is that polling using io_uring can be used in some
new io/event stacks, but adoption of current event libraries can be
non trivial, where old plain epoll with a ring can be an easiest way.
But of course that's only my speculation.
--
Roman
