On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:47 AM Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 5/13/2019 11:07 AM, Rob Landley wrote: > > > > > > On 5/13/19 2:49 AM, Roberto Sassu wrote: > >> On 5/12/2019 9:43 PM, Arvind Sankar wrote: > >>> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 05:05:48PM +0000, Rob Landley wrote: > >>>> On 5/12/19 7:52 AM, Mimi Zohar wrote: > >>>>> On Sun, 2019-05-12 at 11:17 +0200, Dominik Brodowski wrote: > >>>>>> On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 01:24:17PM +0200, Roberto Sassu wrote: > >>>>>>> This proposal consists in marshaling pathnames and xattrs in a file called > >>>>>>> .xattr-list. They are unmarshaled by the CPIO parser after all files have > >>>>>>> been extracted. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Couldn't this parsing of the .xattr-list file and the setting of the xattrs > >>>>>> be done equivalently by the initramfs' /init? Why is kernel involvement > >>>>>> actually required here? > >>>>> > >>>>> It's too late. The /init itself should be signed and verified. > >>>> > >>>> If the initramfs cpio.gz image was signed and verified by the extractor, how is > >>>> the init in it _not_ verified? > >>>> > >>>> Ro > >>> > >>> Wouldn't the below work even before enforcing signatures on external > >>> initramfs: > >>> 1. Create an embedded initramfs with an /init that does the xattr > >>> parsing/setting. This will be verified as part of the kernel image > >>> signature, so no new code required. > >>> 2. Add a config option/boot parameter to panic the kernel if an external > >>> initramfs attempts to overwrite anything in the embedded initramfs. This > >>> prevents overwriting the embedded /init even if the external initramfs > >>> is unverified. > >> > >> Unfortunately, it wouldn't work. IMA is already initialized and it would > >> verify /init in the embedded initial ram disk. > > > > So you made broken infrastructure that's causing you problems. Sounds unfortunate. > > The idea is to be able to verify anything that is accessed, as soon as > rootfs is available, without distinction between embedded or external > initial ram disk. > > Also, requiring an embedded initramfs for xattrs would be an issue for > systems that use it for other purposes. > > > >> The only reason why > >> opening .xattr-list works is that IMA is not yet initialized > >> (late_initcall vs rootfs_initcall). > > > > Launching init before enabling ima is bad because... you didn't think of it? > > No, because /init can potentially compromise the integrity of the > system. I think Rob is right here. If /init was statically built into the kernel image, it has no more ability to compromise the kernel than anything else in the kernel. What's the problem here?
