On Wed, Nov 1, 2017, at 03:02 PM, Shawn Landden wrote: > > This solves the fact that epoll_pwait() already is a 6 argument (maximum allowed) syscall. But what if the process has multiple epoll() instances in multiple threads? Well, that's a subset of the general question of - what is the interaction of this system call and threading? It looks like you've prototyped this out in userspace with systemd, but from a quick glance at the current git, systemd's threading is limited doing sync()/fsync() and gethostbyname() async. But languages with a GC tend to at least use a background thread for that, and of course lots of modern userspace makes heavy use of multithreading (or variants like goroutines). A common pattern though is to have a "main thread" that acts as a control point and runs the mainloop (particularly for anything with a GUI). That's going to be the thing calling prctl(SET_IDLE) - but I think its idle state should implicitly affect the whole process, since for a lot of apps those other threads are going to just be "background". It'd probably then be an error to use prctl(SET_IDLE) in more than one thread ever? (Although that might break in golang due to the way goroutines can be migrated across threads) That'd probably be a good "generality test" - what would it take to have this system call be used for a simple golang webserver app that's e.g. socket activated by systemd, or a Kubernetes service? Or another really interesting case would be qemu; make it easy to flag VMs as always having this state (most of my testing VMs are like this; it's OK if they get destroyed, I just reinitialize them from the gold state). Going back to threading - a tricky thing we should handle in general is when userspace libraries create threads that are unknown to the app; the "async gethostbyname()" is a good example. To be conservative we'd likely need to "fail non-idle", but figure out some way tell the kernel for e.g. GC threads that they're still idle.
