Re: [PATCH] fs/dcache: dentries should free after files unlinked or directories removed

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On Fri 25-08-17 07:06:50, Wangkai (Kevin,C) wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wangkai (Kevin,C)
> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 5:55 PM
> > To: linux-fsdevel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; viro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Cc: Wangkai (Kevin,C); Renjinyong (Renjinyong, Business Support Dept)
> > Subject: [PATCH] fs/dcache: dentries should free after files unlinked or
> > directories removed
> > 
> > sometimes, on my server, there were lots of files creating and removing, and I
> > found that memory usage were high, and I checked, almost all the memory was
> > occupied by slab recliamable, the slab struct was dentry, and I checked the
> > code of dcache, and found that when a file was deleted the dentry never free,
> > unless a memory recliam was triggerd.
> > 
> > I made this patch to mark the dentry as a remove state after file unlinked or
> > directory removed, and when the dentry’s reference count dec to zero and
> > free it, and it worked well on my server base on kernel 4.4.
> > 
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Wangkai <wangkai86@xxxxxxxxxx>

...

> Hi, all
> The negative dentries keep growing and waste a lots of kernel memory, this problem has been
> Occurred on my server, and I looked for internet, and many people had met the same problem.
> Recently, I discussed with Longman, we have two different patches to solve this problem,
> In my patch, remove the negative dentries with the files unlinked, I checked 15 years ago,
> Viro and linus had talked about this, that unlink was only worth doing.
>   ref:   http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/negative_dentries.html
> in Longman patch, limit the negative dentries number
> maybe we can discuss.

So both you and Waiman complain about negative dentries consuming space
(and I agree, they do) but neither of you has explained why it is a
problem. If memory is ever needed, negative dentries are very easy to
reclaim. So to some extent this is like complaing that page cache consumes
your memory - which is again true but it is a deliberate decision and it
helps performance.

It is possible that some of these dentries are so rarely used that they are
indeed just a waste but then I'd like to see detailed analysis of which
negative dentries are these and how your reclaim heuristics improve the
situation. But I haven't seen any performance numbers from either you or
Waiman. So please gather some performance numbers justifying your change
so that we have something to talk about...

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@xxxxxxxx>
SUSE Labs, CR



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